A couple of smaller transfer snippets.

[Pesam]

The transfer of Jack Hobbs to Leicester City seems to have gone under the radar - sold for £400,000.

I hope we have a similar sell-on clause to the one that we put on Zak Whitbread's sale - apparently he is heavily linked with a transfer away from Millwall for £1.5m and according to the Millwall fans we have a 50% sell-on clause.

 

[keniget]

Wasn't the Hobbs transfer confirmed a while back?

It's a bit shit that we've only managed to get 400k for him given that he cost us 1M+.

 

[Terrier]

He's shit and always was.

Move on please.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882658#msg882658 date=1244188911]
Wasn't the Hobbs transfer confirmed a while back?

It's a bit shit that we've only managed to get 400k for him given that he cost us 1M+.
[/quote]

I never saw it mentioned and quite a few websites (including soccerbase) still have him registered as an LFC player so I thought I would mention it. I had high hopes for him and by all accounts the Leicester City fans reckon he had a great season on loan last season. If we have a 50% sell-on clause we might get our £1m back but he represents another failure by our "youth development team".

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882662#msg882662 date=1244189459]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882658#msg882658 date=1244188911]
Wasn't the Hobbs transfer confirmed a while back?

It's a bit shit that we've only managed to get 400k for him given that he cost us 1M+.
[/quote]

I never saw it mentioned and quite a few websites (including soccerbase) still have him registered as an LFC player so I thought I would mention it. I had high hopes for him and by all accounts the Leicester City fans reckon he had a great season on loan last season. If we have a 50% sell-on clause we might get our £1m back but he represents another failure by our "youth development team".
[/quote]

Didn't mean it as a dig, just half remembered reading something about the potential sales of Anderson and Hobbs reaching about 1M each - guess that's not true.

Are Leceister interested in buying Martin as well?

 

[drizzt]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882657#msg882657 date=1244188576]
The transfer of Jack Hobbs to Leicester City seems to have gone under the radar - sold for £400,000.

I hope we have a similar sell-on clause to the one that we put on Zak Whitbread's sale - apparently he is heavily linked with a transfer away from Millwall for £1.5m and according to the Millwall fans we have a 50% sell-on clause.
[/quote]

Are you sure about the 400K, I thought I read somewhere it was 800K?!?!?!?

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882665#msg882665 date=1244189748]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882662#msg882662 date=1244189459]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882658#msg882658 date=1244188911]
Wasn't the Hobbs transfer confirmed a while back?

It's a bit shit that we've only managed to get 400k for him given that he cost us 1M+.
[/quote]

I never saw it mentioned and quite a few websites (including soccerbase) still have him registered as an LFC player so I thought I would mention it. I had high hopes for him and by all accounts the Leicester City fans reckon he had a great season on loan last season. If we have a 50% sell-on clause we might get our £1m back but he represents another failure by our "youth development team".
[/quote]

Didn't mean it as a dig, just half remembered reading something about the potential sales of Anderson and Hobbs reaching about 1M each - guess that's not true.

Are Leceister interested in buying Martin as well?
[/quote]

I know you didn't mean it as a dig Keni, did my response seem agitiated?

Haven't heard anyhting about Martin. I'm getting fed up with all these "bright young things" coming and going without ever coming close to making the grade. I am sure Hobbs, Anderson and Hammill would be better players by now if they had stayed with their original clubs and not signed for us!

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=drizzt link=topic=34001.msg882676#msg882676 date=1244190803]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882657#msg882657 date=1244188576]
The transfer of Jack Hobbs to Leicester City seems to have gone under the radar - sold for £400,000.

I hope we have a similar sell-on clause to the one that we put on Zak Whitbread's sale - apparently he is heavily linked with a transfer away from Millwall for £1.5m and according to the Millwall fans we have a 50% sell-on clause.
[/quote]

Are you sure about the 400K, I thought I read somewhere it was 800K?!?!?!?
[/quote]

I've seen £400,000 quoted regularly but maybe we get extra payments based on Leicester's/Hobbs progress.

 

[Squiggles]

Please keep me informed

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34001.msg882682#msg882682 date=1244191253]
Please keep me informed
[/quote]

I sense an element of sarcasm in your post Squig, you stick to the excitement of the Barry, Alonso and Silva threads then.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882677#msg882677 date=1244190886]
I know you didn't mean it as a dig Keni, did my response seem agitiated?

Haven't heard anyhting about Martin. I'm getting fed up with all these "bright young things" coming and going without ever coming close to making the grade. I am sure Hobbs, Anderson and Hammill would be better players by now if they had stayed with their original clubs and not signed for us!
[/quote]

Dunno, must've read it wrong at the time.

Hammill is actually a Liverpool kid but yeah, the whole youth / reserves setup needs overhauling and I'm hoping that now Rafa has gotten the control he's been craving, we might actually see it.

I'm hoping to see a major cull and a clear strategy in terms of the players we look to bring in and develop, so that we have a good group we can focus on rather than four hundred players who we'll end up taking a hit on.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882694#msg882694 date=1244192473]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882677#msg882677 date=1244190886]
I know you didn't mean it as a dig Keni, did my response seem agitiated?

Haven't heard anyhting about Martin. I'm getting fed up with all these "bright young things" coming and going without ever coming close to making the grade. I am sure Hobbs, Anderson and Hammill would be better players by now if they had stayed with their original clubs and not signed for us!
[/quote]

Dunno, must've read it wrong at the time.

Hammill is actually a Liverpool kid but yeah, the whole youth / reserves setup needs overhauling and I'm hoping that now Rafa has gotten the control he's been craving, we might actually see it.

I'm hoping to see a major cull and a clear strategy in terms of the players we look to bring in and develop, so that we have a good group we can focus on rather than four hundred players who we'll end up taking a hit on.

[/quote]

Exactly. Hobbs spent 2 years in our youth team set up and according to the Leicester fans he was dodgy when he first went there but progressed very well once he was given a run. Surely he would have been better off staying at Lincoln City and developing there rather than "waste" 2 seasons learning fuck-all at LFC.

If Rafa has no intention of blooding Pacheco and Nemeth this season he should send them on loan to Championship teams where they might progress quicker than they seem to be doing at present.

 

[Whitey85]

He did loan Nemeth to blackpool but the lad broke his jaw or something 6 mins into his debut didn't he?

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=34001.msg882703#msg882703 date=1244193133]
He did loan Nemeth to blackpool but the lad broke his jaw or something 6 mins into his debut didn't he?
[/quote]

Yeah.

What gets me is that we view a couple of these kids, like Nemeth, as players who might potentially be ready to come into the fringes of the first team squad.

Why is that they can't do any better than teams like Blackpool?

Is it down to the type of player? Reputation of our youth? Or just that they're really not that good?

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=34001.msg882703#msg882703 date=1244193133]
He did loan Nemeth to blackpool but the lad broke his jaw or something 6 mins into his debut didn't he?
[/quote]

Yup very unfortunate. In an ideal scenario someone like Blackpool or Plymouth would loan them as a pair.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882707#msg882707 date=1244193394]
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=34001.msg882703#msg882703 date=1244193133]
He did loan Nemeth to blackpool but the lad broke his jaw or something 6 mins into his debut didn't he?
[/quote]

Yeah.

What gets me is that we view a couple of these kids, like Nemeth, as players who might potentially be ready to come into the fringes of the first team squad.

Why is that they can't do any better than teams like Blackpool?

Is it down to the type of player? Reputation of our youth? Or just that they're really not that good?
[/quote]

I'd rather see them play for the lesser-lights in that league Keni as they will get more game-time than if they went to Reading or WBA.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882711#msg882711 date=1244193655]
I'd rather see them play for the lesser-lights in that league Keni as they will get more game-time than if they went to Reading or WBA.
[/quote]

In recent times we've seen players like Ishmael Miller, Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba, Evans and Mancienne go to the top clubs in the Championship and become important players.

Now if our players aren't good enough to get a game at that sort of level, can we expect them to come back in a years time and jump in at our level?

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882713#msg882713 date=1244193837]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=34001.msg882711#msg882711 date=1244193655]
I'd rather see them play for the lesser-lights in that league Keni as they will get more game-time than if they went to Reading or WBA.
[/quote]

In recent times we've seen players like Ishmael Miller, Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba, Evans and Mancienne go to the top clubs in the Championship and become important players.

Now if our players aren't good enough to get a game at that sort of level, can we expect them to come back in a years time and jump in at our level?
[/quote]

Good point and to be fair I don't care who they go on loan to as long as it's a Championship team and as long as they are not left rotting in the ressies.

 

[Whitey85]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34001.msg882707#msg882707 date=1244193394]
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=34001.msg882703#msg882703 date=1244193133]
He did loan Nemeth to blackpool but the lad broke his jaw or something 6 mins into his debut didn't he?
[/quote]

Yeah.

What gets me is that we view a couple of these kids, like Nemeth, as players who might potentially be ready to come into the fringes of the first team squad.

Why is that they can't do any better than teams like Blackpool?

Is it down to the type of player? Reputation of our youth? Or just that they're really not that good?
[/quote]

They really aren't that good is the answer. The step up from reserve level to Premiership level and then the "top 4" is massive. Id say most League 1 sides would give our reserve side a good game and probably beat them aswell. So when scouts are coming in from Championship/Premiership to look at our lads they need to see enough ability in them to take the risk and think they could make the step up and improve their sides. Are the players physically/mentally ready for first team footbal at that level? Will it piss off our senior players if i bring these fancy dan kids in? Is this the right club for him? Will he suit our style of play?etc. Its very difficult to assess the level they are at right now.

Arsenal for instance have the best youth side in the country by a distance (won their league by miles and thumped us in the cup) yet the only certainty to make it from that side is Wilshere. I bet Wenger is forever turning down requests from clubs wanting to take him on loan.

If we have exceptional talents you won't find us loaning them out, they will get blooded in the first team in time.

 

[keniget]

I think a lot of what you say isn't far off the mark Whitey but I also think it's partly down to the type of players we've got as well.

Most of our reserves lack any real physical presence and pace and as such, it makes it all the harder to 'sell' them to the better sides unless they're absolutely amazing and no-one in our side has proven that yet. Take Miller for example - he's not a brilliant talent by any means but he's a fucking beast and that gave him the edge to go to the Championship and do what he did.

The likes of Nemeth don't have that physical edge and never will, so I just don't see the point of sending them to teams like Blackpool and the like. I'd much rather we sent our more technical players to teams on the continent if we can - like Arsenal did with Vela - so that they can improve on the things that differentiate them from the likes of Miller.

Most Premiership teams buy heavily from abroad these days, so I think the "English football experience" argument is a little outdated.

 

[Whitey85]

Thats fair enough and i can see where your coming from. The only thing i would say is no disrespect to Nemeth but Vela is a goalscoring full international and on the radar of clubs world wide id have thought.

Rafa probably feels Nemeth can't handle the physical side of the game well and felt a spell in the Championship would improve this aspect of his game? Maybe Blackpool are one of the better footballing sides in that league and he felt they were well suited to Nemeth's style? Maybe if La Liga clubs were chasing him he would loan him out to them? I really don't know. Theres only one man with the answer i guess.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=34001.msg882730#msg882730 date=1244195899]
Thats fair enough and i can see where your coming from. The only thing i would say is no disrespect to Nemeth but Vela is a goalscoring full international and on the radar of clubs world wide id have thought.
[/quote]

Oh, Vela is definitely on another level to Nemeth - I was just using him as an example.

 

[David Byrne]

I quite liked Hobbs and thought there was the makings of a good centre half there. He just needs consistent games at the highest level, but like at all top clubs it's almost impossible to let these young lads develop in the first team.