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Liverpool FC owners announce £42.6m loss

Jun 4 2009 By Daily Post

Liverpool’s parent company owned by Tom Hicks and George Gillett suffered a £42.6million loss last year - mainly due to interest payments on the debts the Americans took on to buy the club.

In the annual accounts released tonight, Liverpool’s accountants have also warned that remaining uncertainty over refinancing the £350million debt before the July 24 deadline "may cast significant doubt on the group’s and parent company’s ability to continue as a going concern".

Although Hicks and Gillett say they are confident of securing a refinancing deal, the figures reveal that the financial success of the football club is being swallowed up by the cost of servicing the parent company’s loans.

The accounts for the year ending July 2008 showed Liverpool made a £10.2million profit but the parent company Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd made a substantial loss of £42.6million, mainly due to interest payments totalling £36.5million.

The clubs accountants KPMG LLP also expressed a warning in their notes in the filed accounts.

The accountants said: "The group has credit facilities amounting to £350million which expire on 24 January 2009. The directors have initiated negotiations to secure the replacement finance required by the group and these negotiations are ongoing.

"These conditions... indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt on the group’s and parent company’s ability to continue as a going concern."

The club’s turnover was a record £159.1million compared to £133.9million the year before, with a profit of £10.2million.

That was reflected by a similar turnover for Kop Football (Holdings) of £164million - most coming from the football club - but the overall loss of £42.6million.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-ne...fc-owners-announce-42-6m-loss-55578-23793304/

I think now's a good time to sell and fuck off you horrible cunts.
 
Why would they sell?

There's no buyers for a start, the club is earning enough to pay the interest and we're paying for them to own one of the biggest clubs in football without them putting in a cent.

Sickening really. That 40 million is much needed to stay competitive. And it's not like there's a stadium on the way to justify the economising.
 
From the Echo:

Revealed: How Liverpool FC owners' saddled club with £42.6m debts

Jun 4 2009 David Bartlett

THE full scale of the debt Liverpool FC’s American owners have saddled the club with can today be revealed.

Despite increasing turnover and a 60% rise in TV income, Kop Football Holdings – a company through which Tom Hicks and George Gillett own LFC – made a £42.6m loss before tax.

Liverpool’s parent company suffered mainly due to interest payments on the debts the Americans took on to buy the club.

Most worryingly, in the annual accounts submitted today, LFC’s accountants have also warned that remaining uncertainty over refinancing the £350m debt before the July 24 deadline may even “cast significant doubt on the group’s and parent company’s ability to continue as a going concernâ€.

Although Hicks and Gillett say they are confident of securing a refinancing deal, the figures reveal the financial success of the football club is being swallowed up by the cost of servicing the parent company’s loans.

The accounts for the year ending July 2008 showed Liverpool made a £10.2m profit but the parent company Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd made a substantial loss of £42.6m, mainly due to interest payments totalling £36.5m.

The clubs accountants KPMG LLP also expressed a warning in their notes in the filed accounts.

The accountants said: “The group has credit facilities amounting to £350m which expire on 24 July 2009. The directors have initiated negotiations to secure the replacement finance required by the group and these negotiations are ongoing.

“These conditions... indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt on the group’s and parent company’s ability to continue as a going concern.â€

The club’s turnover was a record £159.1m compared to £133.9m the year before, with a profit of £10.2m.

That was reflected by a similar turnover for Kop Football (Holdings) of £164m - most coming from the football club - but the overall loss of £42.6m.

The majority of the loss was down to interest being paid on the £350m refinancing loan it took out with Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia last January.

The ECHO can reveal:

* In total Kop and Liverpool FC Limited paid £40.1m in servicing debt and overdrafts in the year to July 31, 2008.

* Kop’s debs have increased by £77.5m to £359.7m, due to spending on players and the new stadium.

* Kop has also been saddled with a new £58.2m debt, which is owed to its own parent company Kop Football (Cayman) Limited, also owned by Hicks and Gillett.

The money is payable on demand, but not if doing so would make the company insolvent.

Kop also owes £2.4m in interest to Cayman, but none was paid in the year.

The information was disclosed in accounts filed with Companies House, and follows the revelation of the club’s own finances.

Liverpool FC Limited recorded a pre-tax profit of £10.2m for the year to July 31, 2008, an improvement on the previous year’s loss of £21.7m.

Turnover shot up to £159.1m mainly as a result of the lucrative TV deal which the Premier League secured with leading broadcasters Sky and the BBC.

As a result Kop had a turnover of £161.8m, but still made a huge loss because of the debts.

The accounts show Kop paid bank and overdraft charges of £35.4m, while Liverpool FC Ltd paid £4.7m.

It is understood the owners have put in around £40m cash in the past year.

Hicks and Gillett have to refinance the £350m debt by July 24, and are expected to be asked by the banks to inject more of their own cash.

The accounts state: “Directors are actively considering a series of options which include a revised debt facility with its current providers and potential equity financing.

“The fact that facilities are not currently in place to fund all projected cash requirements over the next 12 months indicates the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt upon the group’s ability to continue as a going concern...

“The directors have a reasonable expectation that the group will secure adequate resources to enable the group to continue in operational existence for the foreseeable future.â€

The current state of the finances should not impact on manager Rafa Benitez’s transfer kitty, though, as the owners are said to recognise the club must remain a success on the field if they are make money from the club in future.

Today a club source said: “The bulk of the debt is in Kop, so the two sets of accounts have to be seen together. The club’s accounts don’t give a true picture.

“The big issue is the level of interest that is being put on the club.

“The worry is that you might keep servicing the loan and paying the interest, but never actually repaying the loan.

“It’s OK as long as the owners keep signing off cheques, and they should be given credit for that.

“But the club is not generating sufficient cash in itself to pay the interest and provide finance for players.â€

In the same financial year £18.7m was spent on planning, design and some ground works for the new £350m 60,000 seater stadium planned for Stanley Park.

Last year the club put the plans on hold due to the credit crunch and said the stadium would be open in time for the 2012/13 season.

“Since the decision to delay construction work, further preparatory expenditure has been incurred and a transport study has been undertaken to support an increase in seating capacity to 73,000 which will be submitted in the second quarter of 2009,†the accounts state.

The ECHO understands the club may delay putting in a fresh planning application until there is more clarity about the financial situation.

The accounts added: “The directors continue to monitor the useful economic life of the existing stadium which they consider to be five years including te current year.â€

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...dled-club-with-42-6m-debts-100252-23793340/4/
 
Can some clever accountanty type find out the mancs losses?
 
[quote author=Benzo-13 link=topic=33990.msg882370#msg882370 date=1244144535]
>:(

Gotta get rid of these two pronto.
[/quote]

How exactly?

Anfield is full to the brim every week, hardly a show of disaproval is it?

That aside, there's no genuine buyers out there anyway, so 'getting rid' of them could just bring another bigger set of problems.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33990.msg882372#msg882372 date=1244144624]
Loads of newbies these days...
[/quote]

God forbid.
 
[quote author=Benzo-13 link=topic=33990.msg882370#msg882370 date=1244144535]
>:(

Gotta get rid of these two pronto.
[/quote]

Mate, gotta agree with you.
Over the past couple of years, it's almost all been bad news.
Maybe DCI or whoever will make their move soon.
Only thing I know is that it can't happen too soon.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=33990.msg882375#msg882375 date=1244144782]
[quote author=Benzo-13 link=topic=33990.msg882370#msg882370 date=1244144535]
>:(

Gotta get rid of these two pronto.
[/quote]

Mate, gotta agree with you.
Over the past couple of years, it's almost all been bad news.
Maybe DCI or whoever will make their move soon.
Only thing I know is that it can't happen too soon.
[/quote]

if only they hadn't outbid DIC.
 
Imagine if it happened last day of the window like city last year. Half this site would probably have killed themselves by then.
 
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33990.msg882373#msg882373 date=1244144705]
[quote author=Benzo-13 link=topic=33990.msg882370#msg882370 date=1244144535]
>:(

Gotta get rid of these two pronto.
[/quote]

How exactly?

Anfield is full to the brim every week, hardly a show of disaproval is it?

That aside, there's no genuine buyers out there anyway, so 'getting rid' of them could just bring another bigger set of problems.
[/quote]

True.. It was just a bit of generic thinking.
See, we were blinded by success on the pitch last season and its easy to see how but again its like how do we move on to a secure future footing with these two in charge?
 
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33990.msg882373#msg882373 date=1244144705]

How exactly?

Anfield is full to the brim every week, hardly a show of disaproval is it?

That aside, there's no genuine buyers out there anyway, so 'getting rid' of them could just bring another bigger set of problems.
[/quote]

SOS should never had bowed to Rafa's wishes with regards to the protests.

We needed to up the anti instead of backing down. Fuck the league and fuck Rafa's wishes. Getting rid of these cunts is more important.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33990.msg882372#msg882372 date=1244144624]
Loads of newbies these days...
[/quote]

Good, maybe they'll teach some of our more established posters a thing or two about football.

Welcome to the site Benzo-13.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33990.msg882372#msg882372 date=1244144624]
Loads of newbies these days...
[/quote]

Throw a rock and you'll hit a newbie who's less aggravating than you.
 
if they only deliver on ONE promise, its the stadium, we need it build its the reason moores sold in the first place.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33990.msg882381#msg882381 date=1244145125]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33990.msg882372#msg882372 date=1244144624]
Loads of newbies these days...
[/quote]

Good, maybe they'll teach some of our more established posters a thing or two about football.


[/quote]

ouch!
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33990.msg882381#msg882381 date=1244145125]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33990.msg882372#msg882372 date=1244144624]
Loads of newbies these days...
[/quote]

Good, maybe they'll teach some of our more established posters a thing or two about football.

Welcome to the site Benzo-13.
[/quote]

Thank you.
 
[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33990.msg882380#msg882380 date=1244145105]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33990.msg882373#msg882373 date=1244144705]

How exactly?

Anfield is full to the brim every week, hardly a show of disaproval is it?

That aside, there's no genuine buyers out there anyway, so 'getting rid' of them could just bring another bigger set of problems.
[/quote]

SOS should never had bowed to Rafa's wishes with regards to the protests.

We needed to up the anti instead of backing down. Fuck the league and fuck Rafa's wishes. Getting rid of these cunts is more important.
[/quote]

That's arguable. It was having a debilitating effect on the team and club, which could have seen us out of the top 4 and in even more deep shit, new rich buyers or not.

And there was also plenty of rumors at the time that they were desperate to sell and were talking to interested parties, so there was no real need to up the protests.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33990.msg882383#msg882383 date=1244145162]
if they only deliver on ONE promise, its the stadium, we need it build its the reason moores sold in the first place.
[/quote]

Anyone seen the shovel? We are no fucking nearer to getting a shed built, never mind a new stadium.

A serious fucking embarrasment. How many years are we gonna continue to discuss this new stadium, while Premiership clubs smaller than us get theirs built? We have been a big club with a small club attitude for far too long, which is why we are up shit creek without a paddle at present.

Moores and Parry, you incompetent twats.
 
[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33990.msg882389#msg882389 date=1244145484]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33990.msg882383#msg882383 date=1244145162]
if they only deliver on ONE promise, its the stadium, we need it build its the reason moores sold in the first place.
[/quote]

Anyone seen the shovel? We are no fucking nearer to getting a shed built, never mind a new stadium.

A serious fucking embarrasment. How many years are we gonna continue to discuss this new stadium, while Premiership clubs smaller than us get theirs built? We have been a big club with a small club attitude for far too long, which is why we are up shit creek without a paddle at present.

Moores and Parry, you incompetent twats.
[/quote]

We spent the 90's in a mess and this is the price we've paid for Moores leadership.

Again, he shouldn't have sold to the Yanks either.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33990.msg882383#msg882383 date=1244145162]
if they only deliver on ONE promise, its the stadium, we need it build its the reason moores sold in the first place.
[/quote]

We won't be building it while they remain in charge. They're out of their depth and will cling on as it's their last remaining profitable asset. Expect more spin and flashy stadium related PR over the next year, while nothing happens.

Any prospective buyer would need to pay off the debts and then borrow a similar amount to build their sacred cash cow. It aint happening in my lifetime.
 
Oh fuck i was so looking forward to the summer now im not to sure >:( :'( i just hope we do get some good news at some point 8)
 
I just skimmed through the article but did it not also say that they put 40M into the club?
 
the debts are becoming seriously unsustainable and growing

interest: 35m a year, debt grew 55m a year, that is just shocking

there is no way the banks will allow this to continue much longer. they will rightly pull the plug and put the company into administration all those millions will be recovered flogging players unless a rich arab is found
 
welcome to the site to david b, maschedup and benzo -

introduce yourself in the 'sticky thread' in the general forum (getting to know you)
 
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