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The rebuild... how would you plan it?

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by bluebell, Mar 31, 2022.

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  1. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss If you take me seriously then you’re an idiot Member

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    I’d be amazed if the offer wasn’t on (relatively) low wages.
     
  2. Irishanfield

    Irishanfield Tiocfaidh ár lá Member

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    As long as he's happy to sign on those terms then all's good
    This attitude that he's of no use and is just taking a bench place of someone like Jones is unreal
     
  3. LarryHagman

    LarryHagman Well-Known Member

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    Rebuild? What rebuild?
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    I've missed you
     
  5. StevieM

    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    Yep… I can’t imagine a squad with Milner and Ox in it “chasing titles, CL and cups”… nope… definitely can’t see it ever happening.
     
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    King Binny Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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  7. Donavan Ried

    Donavan Ried Alive and still kicking, Just Member

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    Yeah The Ox came along for the ride hardly contributing, and Milner slightly more. Even Minamino and Origi contributed to Cup and Premier League more than AOC, and as much or more than Milner in the League cup.
    Milner has been a great servant of the club, but it should be time to let him go
     
  8. Judge Jules

    Judge Jules SCM Addict Member

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    Are you by any chance familiar with the 6CM term "whoosh"?
     
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  10. King Binny

    King Binny Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...lain-fears-future-not-playing-two-months.html

    Article: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain fears for his Liverpool future after going two months without playing and not hearing from the club about a new contract.

    Oxlade-Chamberlain, 28, hasn't been picked by Jurgen Klopp since an FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest on March 20 despite being fit and available.


    With only a year remaining on his current Anfield deal, the England midfielder is yet to be approached about a renewal and appears to be slipping down the pecking order with Naby Keita and Curtis Jones preferred in recent weeks.

    A deal to sign Fulham teenager Fabio Carvalho has also been wrapped up and will be announced soon.

    Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has a son with partner and Little Mix singer Perrie Edwards, joined Liverpool from Arsenal in 2017 for a £35million fee and has scored 17 goals in 133 games for the club.

    He didn't feature in Liverpool's match day squad against Tottenham, adding to his woes, but if Liverpool allow him to leave this summer there is likely to be interest from clubs in the Premier League and Europe.

    Oxlade-Chamberlain won the last of his 35 England caps against Kosovo in 2019 but Liverpool insist there are no active plans to sell him.

    He is still contracted to be at Anfield next season so remains in their plans as the club adopt a 'wait and see' approach.

    Liverpool are three points behind Manchester City with the Premier League looking the hardest of the four trophies they are going for. Klopp's men are next at Aston Villa on Tuesday.
     
  11. King Binny

    King Binny Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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  12. mom

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    I would plan it thus…

    Take a large amount of well deserved net spend from FSG. Take said amount of money to Klopp and let him buy whomever he chooses. Win the league for years to come.
    The end.
     
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    Yeah, the summer shouldn't be about sticking with what we have. Divock is already leaving and we should seriously think about moving some players on like Ox and bring in replacements. I would like to see us that Touhcameni guy so at least we have some completion and future-proofing (Hendo and Milner both getting on age-wise).


    THE SEARCH FOR A CENTRAL (ATTACKING?) MIDFIELDER THAT CAN BEAT HIS MAN AND THE NEXT MAN...


    In the last 2 years or so we have started to play a little like Man City and Man city has started to play like us, which in some ways has helped both teams to evolve and be a little bit more dynamic.

    The only thing we haven't adopted from City is the ability to have a central midfielder who can cause havoc. City has KDB, Foden and Silva as 3 players who can play somewhat more centrally and cause danger. If we can find a player like that who can still do the dirty work but has the technical ability to cause havoc with dribbling skills then I think that makes our team way more dynamic and adds another attack vector to utilize against teams that occasionally manage to shut down Trent and Robertson.

    This post isn't to hate on the setup, were in quadruple, breaking records left and right...but I am writing this as a way of knowing that we can get even better. In many games this season we have struggled to break teams down. Trent/Robertson get shut down and they both resort to pumping aimless high balls into the box...If we had a KDB type in our centre mid then we could attack from the centre as well with defence-splitting dribbling.

    We don't have this option currently: Ox used to be able to do this but injuries have taken away his explosive pace; The great Thiago who is the master when it comes to shimmying, feints and flicks also is not beating 3 or 4 players as he lacks that explosive pace; Keita does it in spurts but not consistent with it as his focus is more defensive; Minamino is a much better player off the ball than he is on the ball, he's great at getting into spaces but doesn't have the ability to dribble past players.

    As for the young ones, people bang on about Jones but Jones is not a dribbler, Elliot from the little that I've seen of him 'could' be that guy and the same goes for Carvalho but it feels like a lot to put on a young kid at the moment.

    Admittedly there aren't many central-based Midfield players who have a consistent ability to beat their man with a dribble hence why the club has invested in Elliot and Carvalho but its also on Klopp to identify that he actually wants to employ this type of player in his team/tactics. Klopp seems to like his midfielders to be workman-like, so if Klopp doesn't see a value in utilizing a player like KDB in the midfield then this whole topic is moot.
     
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    I wanted to go back and look at the full squad.. Tallest player is MATIP, who is 6' 5! Whoa!

    41 players. 13 I have never seen play (could be wrong) listed in Bold.

    That means we've used approx 24 players this season (minus two keepers Ad and karius)

    Alisson1
    Adrián13
    Loris Karius22
    Caoimhin Kelleher62
    Harvey Davies95
    Marcelo97

    Virgil van Dijk4
    Ibrahima Konaté5
    Joe Gomez12
    Konstantinos Tsimikas21
    Andy Robertson26
    Joël Matip32
    Owen Beck63
    Trent Alexander-Arnold66
    James Norris77
    Jarell Quansah78
    Billy Koumetio89

    Fabinho3
    Thiago Alcántara6
    James Milner7
    Naby Keita8
    Jordan Henderson14
    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain15
    Curtis Jones17
    Diogo Jota20
    Elijah Dixon-Bonner45
    Isaac Mabaya52

    Harvey Elliott67
    Tyler Morton80
    Conor Bradley84
    James Balagizi85
    Melkamu Frauendorf94

    Roberto Firmino9
    Sadio Mané10
    Mohamed Salah11
    Takumi Minamino18
    Luis Díaz23
    Divock Origi27
    Kaide Gordon49
    Max Woltman82
    Harvey Blair86

    ============

    On Loan -

    Ben Davies
    - Sheffield United
    Rhys Williams - Swansea
    Sheyi Ojo - Millwall
    Ben Woodburn - Hearts
    Sapp van den Berg - Preston
    Nathaniel Phillips - Bournemouth
    Neco Williams - Fulham

     
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  15. The Nomad

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    The following players played vs Shrewsbury on your bold list:
    Dixon-Bonner - started the game but will leave at the end of the season apparently
    Max Woltman - given a new contract, started the game
    Conor Bradley - Played a couple of games this season also in the league cup vs Norwich and Preston
    Melkamu Frauendorf - Sub for 10 minutes and highly thought of.

    Harvey Blair - played vs Preston in the league cup
    Owen Beck - also played vs Preston as a sub (token appearance was on for about 2 minutes)
     
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    I agree lol
     
  17. King Binny

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    I hope he stays.



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    Me too. He's great.
     
  19. Judge Jules

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    If he's happy to stay on as a squaddie then fair enough, but I don't think he's going to progress beyond that and would sell if a good offer comes in.
     
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    You need players like Taki who are a threat without much game rhythm. He must be on, relative, buttons wages and with 5 subs next season I don't see him sitting out as much.
     
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