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So there's obviously been a little bit more than 'just grabbing him by the throat' by the looks of it. What an absolute fanny. I think Gomez would have been well within his rights to lay the little cunt out cold to be fair. If that had happened out in the real world he would have been allowed to.
Sterling could get a new little tattoo of this, a picture of him with great big girl like talons, scratching Gomez. It could go right next to the whopping great gun that reminds him of his suspected dad being murdered to death.

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That process has certainly been unfolding but Sterling himself has been curiously absent from it. It's almost as if it's been happening in spite of the guy himself, because he's done the lion's share of bugger all to earn it.

It's not that widely known that at one stage during his school years the little toerag was at a special school for youngsters with behavioural/emotional/social disabilities, i.e.those whom mainstream schools can't hold, Such schools can sometimes work wonders (I was a governor at one for a long time until late last year) but it's very, very difficult to make inroads into the kind of deep-seated problems which see kids admitted to those schools. Leopards, spots etc.

So what your saying is, he’s got mental health issues beyond his own control. Interesting how much of a bashing he’s getting on here considering so many posters deal with depression and other mental health issues.

I guess footballers for other teams don’t get a free pass regardless of that.
 
We give him a hard time, yes he is earning loads, but with him you have to take into account with the way he lost his father, and that could be something always in his head. You kind of expect the odd bit of behaviour from him with that kind of childhood. Now feel free to abuse me.

No abuse from me for a reasonable post, but I don't agree with it and these are the reasons why:

1. Sterling richly deserves the hard time we give him. The way he and his agent behaved to force a move away was lower than a snake's bo11ocks.

2. You do have to take his background into account up to a point BUT the vast majority of people with backgrounds like his (and there are more than you might imagine) don't turn into little thugs the way he did. When I was helping to run a school for such youngsters the staff put up with a heck of a lot that wouldn't normally be tolerated from school pupils, but we never let them use their backgrounds as an excuse. At some point they have to take responsibility for themselves, and Sterling is well past that point.
 
So what your saying is, he’s got mental health issues beyond his own control. Interesting how much of a bashing he’s getting on here considering so many posters deal with depression and other mental health issues.

I guess footballers for other teams don’t get a free pass regardless of that.

NOT "beyond his own control" at all. That's exactly the kind of excuse that's just not acceptable for a grown man. See response to moron above.
 
Incredibly competitive sports star has anger management issues shocka.

I've never heard the likes
 
NOT "beyond his own control" at all. That's exactly the kind of excuse that's just not acceptable for a grown man. See response to moron above.

For someone who has worked in those schools I’m surprised you say that. How many times do you hear people with depression saying how they feel like they have no control of the situation and can’t merely snap out of it. Many mental illnesses are the same.

By all account it would appear he’s had a brutal childhood that would have caused serious damage. He can hardly be at fault for behaviour as a result of that.

Anyway I just thought it was interesting that he doesn’t get a little more slack on here.

Personally if it was one of our players I’d like the fact that at least he cares enough to get upset as opposed to laughing it off on 200k a week.
 
No-one's suggesting the kids in question should or even could "merely snap out of it". What we did say at the school, and what I stand by now, is that the fact that self-control is difficult for them isn't an acceptable excuse for not bothering. For sure it's hard, it may well turn out to be a long-term struggle and, if it does, they're entitled to the special help we gave them, but ultimately they still have to be responsible for themselves. It does them absolutely no favours not to hold them to that.
 
No abuse from me for a reasonable post, but I don't agree with it and these are the reasons why:

1. Sterling richly deserves the hard time we give him. The way he and his agent behaved to force a move away was lower than a snake's bo11ocks.

2. You do have to take his background into account up to a point BUT the vast majority of people with backgrounds like his (and there are more than you might imagine) don't turn into little thugs the way he did. When I was helping to run a school for such youngsters the staff put up with a heck of a lot that wouldn't normally be tolerated from school pupils, but we never let them use their backgrounds as an excuse. At some point they have to take responsibility for themselves, and Sterling is well past that point.

That’s an extremely over simplistic view.

“Oh you were sexually abused for years as a child?” Sorry that’s no excuse, man up and confirm!

That’s rubbish.
 
No-one's suggesting the kids in question should or even could "merely snap out of it". What we did say at the school, and what I stand by now, is that the fact that self-control is difficult for them isn't an acceptable excuse for not bothering. For sure it's hard, it may well turn out to be a long-term struggle and, if it does, they're entitled to the special help we gave them, but ultimately they still have to be responsible for themselves. It does them absolutely no favours not to hold them to that.

Sterling snapped, did something he shouldn’t have, has since apologies in public and according to reports directly to Gomez. I think that’s the definition of owning it, no?
 
Sterling snapped, did something he shouldn’t have, has since apologies in public and according to reports directly to Gomez. I think that’s the definition of owning it, no?

Yes. You were trying to excuse him blowing up in the first place, which is a very different matter.
 
something happened in the tunnel at halftime and all the city coaching staff and manager was not happy with the VAR team and the match officials and had to go to the skysports guys in the tunnel and ask them what was going on because the match officials would not say anything, ?? they all seen the replays in the dressing room and could not believe the response from what the sky people told them that VAR said it was because his arm was not in a unnatural positions ???

now from what i can make out about sterling and gomez is ?? the liverpool players was laughing at sterling in the dinning area and talking behind his back about the game and city moaning about VAR and gomez said something else and sterling told him to shut up and he was still laugh and then sterling blew up and shouted your the big man now are you and both squared up and sterling got him by the neck

also heard that that the liverpool players ganged up and wanted sterling booted out or they would leave ?? and the manager took there side and dropped sterling from the squad, and now sterling had to say sorry ?? and gomez and the liverpool players get off with taking the piss out of sterling

i would have said to sterling well play lad and fuck england, they would come running after you when things are going shit again
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https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/...-at-england-camp.343169/page-60#post-12208328

#This is the absolute truth of the matter :D
 
From theathletic

Raheem Sterling’s confrontation with Joe Gomez lasted only 10 to 15 seconds according to those present, yet the fallout from it will run significantly longer for England, Gareth Southgate and the FA.

The incident, which led to Sterling being dropped for the game against Montenegro on Thursday evening, took place at about 12.30pm on Monday at St George’s Park.

Gomez was in the canteen shaking everyone’s hand and then reached Sterling, who was sitting down. Sterling snapped and responded, “So you think you’re the big man?”, stood up and tried to get Gomez in a headlock, knocking food over from the table. “It was a pretty full-on thing and food went everywhere,” said one source. “Sterling behaved like a bit of a child.”

Another source said: “It was all out of the blue, ‘Woah, what the hell has happened here?’. Everyone was just a bit shocked.”

The roots of Monday’s incident lie in Sunday’s Premier League game between Manchester City and Liverpool. Sterling was goaded by the Anfield crowd and subjected to chants of “one greedy bastard” about his 2015 transfer from Liverpool to City.

Traditionally, Sterling has under-performed in that fixture and has been substituted early three out of four times before Sunday. But this time, Sterling was City’s best player in the 3-1 defeat, and was thought to have been devastated by the outcome. Sterling tussled with Gomez late on during the game and appeared to tread on Virgil van Dijk towards the end.

Although Sterling and Gomez made up after the final whistle on Sunday, images of Gomez pushing Sterling widely circulated online on Sunday evening, giving rise to a feeling that Gomez had “embarrassed” Sterling. So it was an emotional Sterling who arrived at St George’s Park on Monday morning. Gomez was the first of the Liverpool players to arrive, before Trent Alexander-Arnold or Jordan Henderson.

Gomez had initially thought Sterling was joking, and a handful of team-mates laughed at the City player’s initial comment. But when it became clear that Sterling was serious, Gomez moved backwards and the pair had to be separated by concerned team-mates.

Gomez is thought to have been very upset by the incident. The softly-spoken defender does not like confrontation and did not think there would be any issue with Sterling following their embrace after Sunday’s match. But he decided, in the words of one source, to “take the moral high ground” in the interests of “what is best for the team”.

Liverpool are also thought to be angry that Gomez has been put in this situation through no fault of his own. The 22-year-old was seen to have a scratch under his right eye when pictured at training on Tuesday morning.

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While Sterling’s behaviour has surprised some sources, there is also a view from those who know him well that he is more competitive and driven than many realise. And that defeats as important as Sunday night matter more to him than they might do to other players.

It is also not the first time Sterling and Gomez have clashed on England duty. This is a story Southgate told after England played Kosovo in Southampton in September.

“Raheem will give himself every chance, because he’s got the drive, he’s got the professionalism, he’s got the ability, he’s strong, he’s physically and mentally strong for such a small-statured lad,” Southgate said. “It was hysterical the other day, he and [Joe] Gomez had a shoulder-to-shoulder moment. And of course, they were bantering about it for the rest of the week.”

Southgate was not amused by their latest confrontation and there is also frustration and disappointment among FA officials that the incident has overshadowed an incredible amount of hard work and planning that has gone into preparing for the celebrations of England’s 1,000th game.

Sterling was initially sent home by Southgate on Monday night and it took an intervention from England’s senior players to change the manager’s mind, with him allowing Sterling back into the squad as long as he apologised to Gomez.

Sterling was on the way out of St George’s Park when his car turned around and he went back, waiting for Southgate and the senior players to decide his fate. Sterling apologised to Gomez and Southgate convened an emergency team meeting at 9pm, when the manager confirmed Sterling’s suspension for Thursday night’s game with Montenegro.

That decision, along with the public announcement at 11pm confirming Sterling’s dropping from the Montenegro game, has sparked anger from those who work closely with the player. There is a sense from one source who knows Sterling well that the FA has overreacted to the incident, and that rather than doing the right thing, it has prioritised being seen to do the right thing.

“Back in the day, you were always having training ground bust-ups,” said one source close to the squad.

“That was part and parcel of the culture. Some managers would step in, some managers would let it go. I’ve never known something happen for 10 to 15 seconds and one lad gets kicked out. It makes me think this is all about the PR for Southgate.”

The former England defender Rio Ferdinand also said that the incident could have been “handled better” and that confrontations on international duty are more common than might be expected. Although one source pointed out that the Manchester United and Chelsea players managed to play for England days after the 2008 Champions League final without club rivalries spilling over into confrontation.

After Southgate decided to send Sterling home, it took lobbying from the team’s leadership group, including Henderson, to change the manager’s mind, and decide that an apology accepted by Gomez would be enough for Sterling to rejoin the squad.

“Raheem had to go calm down, then he realised what he had done was wrong, and he apologised profusely,” said one source. “Not straightway but pretty quickly. He grovelled all day. It’s done, finished. A line was drawn through it, to focus on the game on Thursday.”

There was no immediate statement from the FA, not until 11pm on Monday night. But they knew how serious an issue it would be. The FA technical director Les Reed was with associates at Twickenham for the Leaders Sport Business Summit but he had to withdraw from a planned dinner, saying that his phone would be ringing the whole evening, so he should not come to the meal.

But there is still a view that the FA’s suspension of Sterling, and the public announcement of it, has made this a bigger issue than it otherwise would have been. “It all seems overblown,” one Premier League sporting director told The Athletic.

“I would expect my manager to sit them down, keep it in-house. Instead, Southgate has given a lot of oxygen to what sounds like a 10-second event.”

(Photo: Robbie Jay Barratt – AMA/Getty Images)
 
I stand by my earlier assessment, Napoleon complex / short man syndrome. He had a while to stew on JoGo making him look like a kid on the pitch and he felt something similar happening again.
 
That’s bullshit about Liverpool players ganging up cause Joe was the only cunt there.
 
5 years ago he was our little darling:

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Btw, what the fuck happened to Rossiter?
Went from super talent to playing for Fleetwood Town in League one.
 
Didn't he go to Rangers and did his hamstring twice? Even so, I thought he'd have an ok career.
 
Sterling's camp are just concerned about the impact on Sterling's 'brand'. Southgate was fully right to publicly shame the little twat. Sterling, and his entourage of knobheads, should be grateful he's not receiving assault charges.
 
No abuse from me for a reasonable post, but I don't agree with it and these are the reasons why:

1. Sterling richly deserves the hard time we give him. The way he and his agent behaved to force a move away was lower than a snake's bo11ocks.

2. You do have to take his background into account up to a point BUT the vast majority of people with backgrounds like his (and there are more than you might imagine) don't turn into little thugs the way he did. When I was helping to run a school for such youngsters the staff put up with a heck of a lot that wouldn't normally be tolerated from school pupils, but we never let them use their backgrounds as an excuse. At some point they have to take responsibility for themselves, and Sterling is well past that point.

Oh don't get me wrong on point (1) - when I said He gets a load of shit from us, I did not mean we should stop abusing him when we see him in that horrible blue shite shirt. Hell no.

On your second point - I totally disagree with the points you have raised - I never said he uses his background as an excuse, and for that matter very few people will admit to their background as an excuse for their behaviour. But mentally, ones behaviour is a product of their own experiences of growing up. I don't really see what he has done that is so out of it ? - we have seen a lot worse from other players - remember the Crazy Gang from Wimbledon, John Hartson Kicking Berkovic in the head during training, and David Batty and Graham Le Saux having an on pitch punch up in a CL game. Yet none of these incidents compare to the racist behaviour of fans in the 80's etc, and even abroad now.

Also if young footballers do crazy shit, it is understandable when you think about a lowly educated individual who gets everything done for him by the club, and all he does is train and kick a ball around all day because that's his job - then suddenly they get thrown into the limelight, and earn more than most people - that is a potential toxic character mix for a potential disaster. It just maybe that it will take until they are 25 years old to sort themselves out. In any case none of these players these days can compare to the disaster that is Gazza.
 
That’s an extremely over simplistic view.

“Oh you were sexually abused for years as a child?” Sorry that’s no excuse, man up and confirm!

That’s rubbish.


Isn't what you have posted the simplistic dumb interpretation of JJs post.

He is saying that you are not allowed to say "I was abused as a child, so allow me to commit affray."...I'm deliberately relating back to the context with Sterling vs Gomez, because if I exaggerated for emphasis you are likely to miss the point by a country mile.
 
That’s an extremely over simplistic view.

“Oh you were sexually abused for years as a child?” Sorry that’s no excuse, man up and confirm!

That’s rubbish.
It’s not an excuse. It helps to explain the behavior, but everyone has ultimate accountability for their own actions.
 
Fucking hell the amount of outrage and media coverage for a petty scuffle. I really hope the world ends soon
 
Oh don't get me wrong on point (1) - when I said He gets a load of shit from us, I did not mean we should stop abusing him when we see him in that horrible blue shite shirt. Hell no.

On your second point - I totally disagree with the points you have raised - I never said he uses his background as an excuse, and for that matter very few people will admit to their background as an excuse for their behaviour. But mentally, ones behaviour is a product of their own experiences of growing up. I don't really see what he has done that is so out of it ? - we have seen a lot worse from other players - remember the Crazy Gang from Wimbledon, John Hartson Kicking Berkovic in the head during training, and David Batty and Graham Le Saux having an on pitch punch up in a CL game. Yet none of these incidents compare to the racist behaviour of fans in the 80's etc, and even abroad now.

Also if young footballers do crazy shit, it is understandable when you think about a lowly educated individual who gets everything done for him by the club, and all he does is train and kick a ball around all day because that's his job - then suddenly they get thrown into the limelight, and earn more than most people - that is a potential toxic character mix for a potential disaster. It just maybe that it will take until they are 25 years old to sort themselves out. In any case none of these players these days can compare to the disaster that is Gazza.

You said his background had to be taken into account, and I agreed (and still agree) with that, so you seem to be "totally disagreeing" with yourself. My point was, and still is, that "taken into account" shouldn't mean "count as an excuse". Everyone is shaped to a large extent by their experiences growing up, but that can't be allowed to remove each individual's responsibility for himself and his own behaviour. "Look what you made me do" is a child's excuse (and not acceptable even then, though it might be understandable). Adults are not entitled to it, IMHO of course.
 
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Sterling has spent the past 12 months on improving his image and then this. My only surprise is gomez took it and there wasn't a full punch up
 
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