Will Daniel Sturridge ever play for us again?
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Good man Daniel a brace on Sunday please and don't let the door hit you in the way to West Ham
It's so annoying watching him when he comes back because he's a cut above talent wise any other player we have bar Coutinho.
He's had long enough to prove his fitness though. We simply can't rely on him. Hopefully he scores another couple goals next week to a) end his time here on a high and b) get us a greater chance of a fee.
He's had long enough to prove his fitness though. We simply can't rely on him. Hopefully he scores another couple goals next week to a) end his time here on a high and b) get us a greater chance of a fee.
I've a sneaky suspicion he's going nowhere.
Part of me would love to see him here next season, banging in goals on a regular basis, as he clearly has the talent, but the realistic part of me knows he's never gonna be fit enough to be able to do that. That and the fact that when Klopp buys another striker or attacking forward, or whatever they're called today, he'll no doubt slip further down the pecking order.
He seems to be getting on well with Klopp, but we can't really know whether that's because he's been told he's going to feature a lot next season, or whether they're both relaxed as they've come to terms with the fact that he's going and going amicably.
Part of me would love to see him here next season, banging in goals on a regular basis, as he clearly has the talent, but the realistic part of me knows he's never gonna be fit enough to be able to do that. That and the fact that when Klopp buys another striker or attacking forward, or whatever they're called today, he'll no doubt slip further down the pecking order.
He seems to be getting on well with Klopp, but we can't really know whether that's because he's been told he's going to feature a lot next season, or whether they're both relaxed as they've come to terms with the fact that he's going and going amicably.
The quoted text seems to reference 'exposure to smoke' e.g. the smoke in the air for a 20-80 minute session.
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Sturridge has been available for 70% of#LFC's PL matches this season. 6 starts, 13 off bench & 7 as unused sub.
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Sturridge has been available for 70% of
That's being very selective with the truth. He's always returning from injury so is only able to do 5-10 minutes off the bench. I wouldn't say that is available for selection. Not by the standards Klopp sets anyway.
Definitely so.
They made a point on MOTD about how much better he looks as a part of a striking duo rather than as a focal point of a front 3. Playing with a strike partner allows him to drift to the wings to find space and takes full advantage of his clever movement. It's too bad we have only one game of the season left because this is actually looking rather promising.
And with Klopp seemingly set on mostly playing a 4-3-3 formation it would appear that Sturridge will rarely have the luxury of having a fellow striker and therefore we will rarely see the best of him.
Or more likely we will see him light it up elsewhere.
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Yeah I also thought that was a good point, and using him as part of a 2 just seems such a no-brainer against park the bus teams at Anfield. How Klopp hasn't deployed this previously is a tad disconcerting.
I think the problem is that these foreign managers from countries where the league is dominated by 1 or 2 teams - think that England is the same. Yes we do have top teams but our bottom teams are stubborn as fuck and mostly beleive they can at least get a draw. Conte realized quickly and changed ... Klopp has taken his time and is probably confused by our dominant possession stats and our injuries have limited the type of formations we can play. I guess West Ham was the first time where he was compelled to do something after the southampton fuck up.
I think we're rich enough to keep Sturridge in the squad.
If he's available for say 15 games during a season I'd prefer that to having Origi sitting on the bench as an option, or god forbid, starting certain games.
We should sell Origi first and foremost and then see what strikers we bring in before deciding on Sturridge.
If he's available for say 15 games during a season I'd prefer that to having Origi sitting on the bench as an option, or god forbid, starting certain games.
We should sell Origi first and foremost and then see what strikers we bring in before deciding on Sturridge.
I read that Conte allowed the Chelsea players to play their way and they weren't that successful at the beginning resulting in the loss to ours truly and then he got them to play his way and .... won them the league.
Whereas Klopp got the team to play his way at the beginning of the season and was at the top, or near top, by December only to lose Mane to AFCON and a whole bunch of injuries resulting in us ending in top 4 (possibly 5th).
And didn't Rafa and Jose win a few trophies having came from countries where the league is dominated by 1 or 2 teams?
Yep, I read your post. I was advocating a "diamond" system for a while as well, primarily as a way to accommodate Sturridge. It's ironic that we failed to score a single goal in 4 meeting against Southampton this season, but last season we put 6 past them away from home in the cup (against very much their top and highly motivated team, not a weakened side), which was, I think, the last time before this Sunday that the "diamond" formation was used by Klopp. I think Sturrigde got injured soon after, so it forced Klopp to abandon it, but for some reason he didn't return to it even when Sturridge was available.
I think he is simply not a fan of the system – if I remember correctly he even talked about it in one of his press conferences a while ago, something about it being vulnerable down the flanks, but "sometimes you can get away with it"). He might use it in a specific situation or when shortage of personnel leaves him no other choice, but generally Klopp rarely plays with 2 up front, whether here or in Dortmund. That's bad news for Sturridge, I'm afraid.
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My main concern with a diamond is that sides with great full-backs that can counter quickly can completely tear you apart.
Plus it'd involve an entirely different recruitment/transfer policy, which I doubt we're going to do.
We might use it on an isolated basis for certain games, but I'm not sure it'll be a long-term strategy.
Plus it'd involve an entirely different recruitment/transfer policy, which I doubt we're going to do.
We might use it on an isolated basis for certain games, but I'm not sure it'll be a long-term strategy.
Right, I mean we almost won the league with it, but "almost" doesn't really count and how can one say that the defensive frailties of that team were not in some way exacerbated by the system. Now that I think about it, when was the last time a team has won a major tournament playing the "diamond"? Probably not since AC Milan in 2000's. Teams who are playing with 2 strikers nowadays are all defensive and counter-attacking style, like Leicester and Atletico Madrid. If you want to dominate games and play attacking football, it's always done with front 3 or with 3 at the back allowing for a front 2.
BTW this should also caution us against buying Lacazette, who by all accounts, much like Sturridge, depends on playing with a strike partner. Probably Vardy as well.
BTW this should also caution us against buying Lacazette, who by all accounts, much like Sturridge, depends on playing with a strike partner. Probably Vardy as well.
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So you think Klopp believe we are 1 of the 2 dominating teams?
I think it is more down to availability and alternatives. Klopp and the gang works on the gameplan the whole week if possible. And to be fair Sturridge has been reported injured a lot this year.
Sorry, what do you mean by that?
Moron refered to foreign managers from leagues normally dominated by 1 or 2 teams and assuming they tought England was the same. So I wondered og he tought Klopp out us as one of the 2 dominating teams in England. He made certain Dortmund was 1 of the 2 in Germany but he has some way to go here.
Not sure I get this whole line of reasoning, so I think I'll stay out of this.
Wise Choice. I wasn't sure what he meant himself, which was why I asked.
Perhaps Klopp is surprised that 70% of our opponents simply show up with no interest of actually playing football. Some of the negative, anti football we've seen this year has been ridiculous, but it's completely self induced by demonstrating time & time again that we struggle against that style. Initially I think Klopp was taken back that such tactics weren't frowned upon by fans and the media as it makes for such a dire and turgid spectacle.
The game against Utd where Mourinho simply parked the bus and received only a few small groans in the press was a pivotal moment. All other teams in the league figured that if Utd could be so negative and somehow still come out with some credibility then they could also use the same tactic.
We simply needed to demonstrate the ability to destroy a couple of teams that deployed that tactic and that's where Klopp failed. He walked into the same trap for fucking months and was still somewhat surprised that our strengths (counter attacking/gegen pressing) weren't allowed to flourish.
The game against Utd where Mourinho simply parked the bus and received only a few small groans in the press was a pivotal moment. All other teams in the league figured that if Utd could be so negative and somehow still come out with some credibility then they could also use the same tactic.
We simply needed to demonstrate the ability to destroy a couple of teams that deployed that tactic and that's where Klopp failed. He walked into the same trap for fucking months and was still somewhat surprised that our strengths (counter attacking/gegen pressing) weren't allowed to flourish.
That's a good point. As someone who's been watching Bundesliga for years, they have far, far fewer "park-the-bus" teams, so it makes sense that Klopp was somewhat unprepared for the kind of negative tactics he's been encountering particularly in the 2nd half of this season. Even against Bayern, teams usually know that if they choose the ultra defensive model, their fans won't be happy and they will still probably lose, so instead they try to have a good go at them, especially at home.
Aren't Real Madrid playing a 4-4-2 diamond? Kroos on the left of the mid diamond, Modric in the attacking tip, and Ronaldo & Benzema as the two wide forwards?
It works for them cos Marcelo is so high energy on the wings.
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