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Vardy (or generally goal scoring issues)

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Yes. The degradation of reserve football has a had a big impact on that. Instead of sitting on their arses watching first team games and training a bit, they should get at least a few run outs in reserve games. Even just 45 minutes. These days you need to be recovering from serious injury like Ings is to play any bloody football when you're not actually in the first XI on a regular basis.

Probably why we just poach from Southampton all the time. How else are players supposed to develop? It's an expensive way to run a reserve squad but there you have it!
 
Not sure what to make of the Solanke situation. Are we giving a decent prospect an opportunity he wouldn't get at Chelsea? Or are we blindly pinning hopes on someone who couldn't get near the first XI for a team we consider a close rival?
 
Not sure what to make of the Solanke situation. Are we giving a decent prospect an opportunity he wouldn't get at Chelsea? Or are we blindly pinning hopes on someone who couldn't get near the first XI for a team we consider a close rival?
Bit of both


Wouldn't say Chelsea were a close rival though
 
So would I. He's not the first good player not to get a fair go there, and not always for good reason. Chelsea fans were not pleased when he was allowed to leave.
 
[article]The issue, then, is in chance creation rather than simply in front of goal. They have been impatient, shooting on sight rather than waiting for the better scoring opportunity by dragging the opposition around the final third.

Against Burnley Liverpool manufactured 35 attempts on goal, but 17 came from outside the box.


Compare Liverpool's wastefulness with the rest of the top six, and they are actually converting slightly more of their chances than either Arsenal or Tottenham. Though they have had 215 shots, compared to 151 and 176 respectively.[/article]
Wouldn't it be nice if Ings (like finally?) is able to stake his claim for a spot?
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Danny Ings is a Danger Zone monster.

All 11 of Ings' league goals came in the Danger Zone – the six-yard box and center of the 18-yard box – and only one was a penalty. They were fairly varied goals as well: four headers, four right-footed, and three left-footed.

54.6% of Ings' shots (including that one penalty) came in the Danger Zone. For comparison, just 35.2% of Liverpool's shots this season came in that area. For further comparison, 31.5% of Suarez's shots and 42.4% of Sturridge's shots in 2013-14 came in that area. And Ings put 49% of those Danger Zone shots on-target.

Aside from Ings' goals totals, those Danger Zone stats aren't entirely dissimilar from what Suarez and Sturridge did in 2013-14.

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Wouldn't it be nice if Ings (like finally?) is able to stake his claim for a spot?
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https://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.sg/2015/06/on-danny-ings.html
Dated Jun 2015

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Danny Ings is a Danger Zone monster.

All 11 of Ings' league goals came in the Danger Zone – the six-yard box and center of the 18-yard box – and only one was a penalty. They were fairly varied goals as well: four headers, four right-footed, and three left-footed.

54.6% of Ings' shots (including that one penalty) came in the Danger Zone. For comparison, just 35.2% of Liverpool's shots this season came in that area. For further comparison, 31.5% of Suarez's shots and 42.4% of Sturridge's shots in 2013-14 came in that area. And Ings put 49% of those Danger Zone shots on-target.

Aside from Ings' goals totals, those Danger Zone stats aren't entirely dissimilar from what Suarez and Sturridge did in 2013-14.

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Things I like about this:

1) Danny Ings Is A Danger Zone Monster

2) His stats are very similar to Suarez and Sturridge, if you ignore how many goals he has scored

3) That's it
 
As it stands, we've scored 12 goals in 6 games, which is a good return, but the top three have scored 21, 21 and 14 respectively.

United and City have exactly the same for and against record as of now, with United playing a game more than both us and City. Both have scored 21 and conceded 2. At both ends that's significantly better than our current stats: scored 12, conceded 11.

Big gulf between the standings of the top two and everyone else. I know it's early days, but United and City are in staggeringly brilliant form. Unfortunately.
 
As it stands, we've scored 12 goals in 6 games, which is a good return, but the top three have scored 21, 21 and 14 respectively.

United and City have exactly the same for and against record as of now, with United playing a game more than both us and City. Both have scored 21 and conceded 2. At both ends that's significantly better than our current stats: scored 12, conceded 11.

Big gulf between the standings of the top two and everyone else. I know it's early days, but United and City are in staggeringly brilliant form. Unfortunately.
Chelsea are also on phenomenal form. They're just not as high scoring
 
We've got Solanke so let's use him. Yes he's raw but the encouraging thing about him in this context is that he knows how and when to attack space in the box. He anticipates and gambles with his runs. One of the recurring problems in our attacks is the last player arriving too late, or only starting to arrive after being startled by the ball coming towards them. Solanke will at least be in a position, sometimes, to take some chances.

Solanke has started 1 (one!) game against adults in his life!

Vardy would suit us perfectly, we need a player who´s direct, threatens with runs towards the goal and who actually can score.
Buy the fucker.
 
Just saw this tweet and thought this thread will be more appropriate place to post this instead of the Man Utd match thread.


 
I still think he's perfect for us, despite his age. He works hard, is quick and scores goals. That's like Firmino with pace and goals. So nothing like Firmino.
 
Solanke has started 1 (one!) game against adults in his life!

Vardy would suit us perfectly, we need a player who´s direct, threatens with runs towards the goal and who actually can score.
Buy the fucker.

It's October.

We can't buy anyone until January at the earliest.

We have Sturridge, who is shot.

We have Woodburn, who is far too young & inexperienced, & doesn't often play as a striker.

We have Ings, who is being bedded in slowly, or something, but anyway, he seems unavailable for the time being.

Solanke, who is also young, but not dangerously so for a striker, & yes, is relatively inexperienced, but was extremely good in pre season & every time he's had longer than a few minutes has looked a better option than any other option we have.

I'm all for dumping Sturridge in January & buying another striker, but the likes of Vardy (an older stopgap solution) is probably the only type of striker we'll be able to get, so if Solanke comes in & performs well it means we aren't spending some valuable funds on a stopgap & can put them towards Getting Keita early, or finally getting VDV or another decent CB.
 
I still think he's perfect for us, despite his age. He works hard, is quick and scores goals. That's like Firmino with pace and goals. So nothing like Firmino.

Does he? He has 67 league goals in 174 games for Leicester. With that one season in 15/16 being the stand out with 24 goals.
If he was available for a low fee we could clearly take a punt on him.
But soon to be 31 and with 2,5-3 years left on his contract, he'd still cost a shitload.

I would stay well clear given what he'll cost and the uncertainty of what he'd bring to the team in terms of goals.

I'd rather pay 20-30 mill more for Aubameyang. He's 2,5 years younger and actually does score a lot of goals.
 
Does he? He has 67 league goals in 174 games for Leicester. With that one season in 15/16 being the stand out with 24 goals.
If he was available for a low fee we could clearly take a punt on him.
But soon to be 31 and with 2,5-3 years left on his contract, he'd still cost a shitload.

I would stay well clear given what he'll cost and the uncertainty of what he'd bring to the team in terms of goals.

I'd rather pay 20-30 mill more for Aubameyang. He's 2,5 years younger and actually does score a lot of goals.

Does it matter when he scored them? Torres record for us was brilliant and then he went completely off the boil. We should be buying on form, and he's been in form for three years now. He might be a late bloomer, but so what? We can't judge him on what he was doing 5 years ago, if we're thinking that way we may aswell buy Torres.
 
Does it matter when he scored them? Torres record for us was brilliant and then he went completely off the boil. We should be buying on form, and he's been in form for three years now. He might be a late bloomer, but so what? We can't judge him on what he was doing 5 years ago, if we're thinking that way we may aswell buy Torres.

Because its the kind of deals we used to make in the past, and they dont work out.

Not sure about the logic with the Torres example mind.
 
Because its the kind of deals we used to make in the past, and they dont work out.

Not sure about the logic with the Torres example mind.

Because you're using his overall record as a key indicator, what's his record over the last three years? It's pointless talking about overall records when it's blindingly obvious that he's been one of the form players in the league for a few years now. You can see that without stats.

Fine, so age is against him and we have to think logically about it, but don't use goalscoring stats as a stick to beat him with when he's scoring goals regularly in a mediocre team (yes I know they won the league).

And he's well above the previous bracket players, like Downing, Adam, Carroll etc.
 
Vardy could have a thousand goals to his name and I still wouldn't want him.

Vardy's a cunt for sure. And I think he'd be yet another one of our forward line who struggles when the opposition defends deep and in numbers, which is what happens in pretty much most games.
 
You've gotta cut both of them some slack imo. Strikers thrive on playing, having a spell of games out or just playing occasionally for 20 minutes means they will almost all miss chances in a competitive match environment until they get a decent run under their belt. Some strikers need just a game or two, some need a few games, but nevertheless it's almost always a similarity amongst that breed of player.

Strikers thrive on confidence shocker.

The confidence of having a manager who believes in them and trusts them to bury the next chance after missing a few.

For me it's the reason Keane failed he.

If he was played week in week out he'd have become a legend and scored a load of goals.

Above any position, strikers need consistent game time
 
Get to fuck with Vardy, he needs space to run in behind, won't get that for us in the games we need him most where teams part the bus.

He's also a cunt.

And comparisons with Suarez are insulting, he was arguably the most talented player to ever play for us and at the time was in the top 5 players on the planet
 
Because you're using his overall record as a key indicator, what's his record over the last three years? It's pointless talking about overall records when it's blindingly obvious that he's been one of the form players in the league for a few years now. You can see that without stats.

Fine, so age is against him and we have to think logically about it, but don't use goalscoring stats as a stick to beat him with when he's scoring goals regularly in a mediocre team (yes I know they won the league).

And he's well above the previous bracket players, like Downing, Adam, Carroll etc.

Well, his career seems to have had some very poor seasons in between which paints a picture of a striker that isnt a natural or a regular goalscorer in my opinion. He scored 13 league goals last season, is that impressive?
The season before that was very impressive, but was that a one off? Could be.

Does he have enough to his game to be the main striker against teams that sit low defensively and deny us space to attack in?
I dont think that he does.

When you add that, his age, transfer fee, goalscoring ability and stability from season to season and suitability to the team, I dont think it warrants paying 40 mill £ for him. In fact, fuck that.
 
Well, his career seems to have had some very poor seasons in between which paints a picture of a striker that isnt a natural or a regular goalscorer in my opinion. He scored 13 league goals last season, is that impressive?
The season before that was very impressive, but was that a one off? Could be.

Does he have enough to his game to be the main striker against teams that sit low defensively and deny us space to attack in?
I dont think that he does.

When you add that, his age, transfer fee, goalscoring ability and stability from season to season and suitability to the team, I dont think it warrants paying 40 mill £ for him. In fact, fuck that.

Yeah. There is a lot to like about Vardy's game; workrate, pace, goals etc, but it wasn't that long ago that he managed 5 goals in an entire season, or something like that.

So yeah, he might be better than anyone else we have, but that's not saying much really. And when you factor in all that Hansern's already said about his age, cost, wages, suitability etc, it does make him quite a risky signing.

And that's before you even get into the fact he's a bit of a cunt.

I wouldn't cry if we signed him, obviously, but I would think 'How the fuck has it come to this? Paying 30m for a 31 year old Jamie fucking Vardy?'
 
Werner or Dolberg please. Dolberg is looking for a January move apparently. Werner is probably out of our reach already though.

We should also keep an eye on Ismaila Sarr at Rennes who could well be the next Mbappe/Dembele.
 
Werner or Dolberg please. Dolberg is looking for a January move apparently. Werner is probably out of our reach already though.

We should also keep an eye on Ismaila Sarr at Rennes who could well be the next Mbappe/Dembele.
Apparently Dolberg already has a deal in place to join Dortmund in January..
 
Werner would be useless in England then.



Timo Werner unable to face Borussia Dortmund for incredible reason

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By Scott Morrison Friday, October 13, 2017
Big blow

RB Leipzig’s star man Timo Werner has been ruled out for yet another game for a crazy reason as he did not travel to Borussia Dortmund.

That is because the player is not able to feature in games that have very loud fans due to a problem with his muscles.
The German goalscorer had to be substituted against Besiktas in the Champions League due to the noise that the home fans were producing.
There are now fears that the same issue will occur at Borussia Dortmund with their famous ‘Yellow Wall’ known for their noise.
Though the player was ridiculed by some football fans for his issue on social media, it has come to light just what the reason behind it is.

When you look into it, it is just an extremely unfortunate condition and there really isn’t much Werner can do about it.
Reports explain that the player suffers from a blockage in the muscles of the cervical spine and the temporomandibular joint.
While that is jibberish to many, the important thing to note is that the stress factor is loud noise which can exacerbate such discomfort.
Since the last incident that came against Besiktas, the extremely prolific forward has not played a game but has trained with the club.
 
Werner would be useless in England then.



Timo Werner unable to face Borussia Dortmund for incredible reason

Scott-Morris_avatar_1484738889-32x32.png


By Scott Morrison Friday, October 13, 2017
Big blow

RB Leipzig’s star man Timo Werner has been ruled out for yet another game for a crazy reason as he did not travel to Borussia Dortmund.

That is because the player is not able to feature in games that have very loud fans due to a problem with his muscles.
The German goalscorer had to be substituted against Besiktas in the Champions League due to the noise that the home fans were producing.
There are now fears that the same issue will occur at Borussia Dortmund with their famous ‘Yellow Wall’ known for their noise.
Though the player was ridiculed by some football fans for his issue on social media, it has come to light just what the reason behind it is.

When you look into it, it is just an extremely unfortunate condition and there really isn’t much Werner can do about it.
Reports explain that the player suffers from a blockage in the muscles of the cervical spine and the temporomandibular joint.
While that is jibberish to many, the important thing to note is that the stress factor is loud noise which can exacerbate such discomfort.
Since the last incident that came against Besiktas, the extremely prolific forward has not played a game but has trained with the club.
English atmosphere is mostly shite, so he'd thrive against the dross
 
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