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gene hughes

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Why are some midfielders sooooooooo shite at shooting?

With the way we play, even our DM(s) will get a chance or two every game to shoot from the edge of the area and yet we have some players who are technically excellent in almost every other way, but simply can't hit the ball with either force or accuracy towards the goal from just 20 yards.

We saw with Shaqiri how important it is - he got deflections but he was able to hit the ball low, hard and goalward each time and got his reward.

Gini is a brilliant player in many ways but he's a great example of this - why can't he shoot for shit? Isn't he practising? Is it a mental thing or is it because all his strength is in his buttocks?
 
Why are some midfielders sooooooooo shite at shooting?

With the way we play, even our DM(s) will get a chance or two every game to shoot from the edge of the area and yet we have some players who are technically excellent in almost every other way, but simply can't hit the ball with either force or accuracy towards the goal from just 20 yards.

We saw with Shaqiri how important it is - he got deflections but he was able to hit the ball low, hard and goalward each time and got his reward.

Gini is a brilliant player in many ways but he's a great example of this - why can't he shoot for shit? Isn't he practising? Is it a mental thing or is it because all his strength is in his buttocks?

The weird thing is Gini was a goal scorer. Fabs was great today, but his shooting is generally horrific.
 
Houllier had the best group of shooters I've seen. Gerrard, Redknapp, Berger, Murphy, Barmby, Riise, especially Berger. A lot of left footers. Shaqiri is also left footed. That is the problem perhaps, right footed midfielders tend to be shitter at striking the ball.
 
I don't get it. Henderson is another one who used to be able to take a good shot but has somehow lost this skill
 
If we picked our all time or even modern times best finishing and shooting Liverpool XI I'm not sure any of this side would make it
 
Actually without thinking about it too much Trent probably isn't far off as a right back
 
Yes, it's quite odd. There's no problem with basic technique, but too often it deserts them when they go for a shot. I don't mind shots saved, but the number who balloon it over is amazing. Hamman for me was the worst culprit - because he clearly knew how to strike a shot, but most times it would go way over the bar. I mean, when that happens, a good pro ought to know exactly how to correct that the next time, but, nope, the same thing happens. Lucas - the same. I honestly don't get why it keeps on happening - get it on target!

I want to see Van Dyke, of all our current players, move up and have several strikes every game. He's the one player who has a great shot on him but also the self-awareness to adapt during a game and learn from any errors.
 
It's a weird one.

The obvious answer - they're just not very good at it.

But perhaps there is more to it also. It's not quite in the make up of this team to lash it in from 30 yards (aside from Ox who'll have a dig now and again or Mane when he gets pissed off) - the first instinct is generally to look for a pass (even if one isn't on). So perhaps when players take a shot from distance it feels like a bit of a punt they shouldn't be taking and the result reflects that. Even Shaqiri, who some were bemoaning had the propensity to take on a lot of low percentage shots per game, has very much oriented his attacking play around his team-mates since joining.
 
It's a weird one.

The obvious answer - they're just not very good at it.

But perhaps there is more to it also. It's not quite in the make up of this team to lash it in from 30 yards (aside from Ox who'll have a dig now and again or Mane when he gets pissed off) - the first instinct is generally to look for a pass (even if one isn't on). So perhaps when players take a shot from distance it feels like a bit of a punt they shouldn't be taking and the result reflects that. Even Shaqiri, who some were bemoaning had the propensity to take on a lot of low percentage shots per game, has very much oriented his attacking play around his team-mates since joining.

Yes. But, still, you'd think they would think, like any park player would think, 'Ah, I was leaning back when I hit that, the next time I MUST get it right,' but generally they don't - even when there's no press from opponents.
 
Yes. But, still, you'd think they would think, like any park player would think, 'Ah, I was leaning back when I hit that, the next time I MUST get it right,' but generally they don't - even when there's no press from opponents.

Yeah... you'd like to think so but a big part of is just a lack of composure, which is hard to rectify on the training ground. You've either got it or you don't.

The ones that piss me off the most are the tame shots wide or at the keeper (hello Gini!), particularly when they've got time and space. Show some conviction at least, even if ends up in Row Z.
 
Yeah... you'd like to think so but a big part of is just a lack of composure, which is hard to rectify on the training ground. You've either got it or you don't.

The ones that piss me off the most are the tame shots wide or at the keeper (hello Gini!), particularly when they've got time and space. Show some conviction at least, even if ends up in Row Z.

At the keeper, way better - there's a chance they'll spill it. But to blast over - there's no excuse these days.
 
It depends, shooting from 30 yards or more requires technique and power and most players dont have it. Shooting from in and around the box is more about placement/accuracy. I think we generally do alright around the box as we have goals from 10 different players in the league this year. I dont think we get many from distance unless its a deadball situation which lets opposition teams sit deep
 
Shooting isn't my main gripe, although it's baffling because you're wondering what these millionaires actually practise during training.

Corner-taking for me, is the biggest mystery ever. I mean, think about it....we've got a specialist coach for throw-ins (!!!), but none for corners. It's quite laughable to be honest. How many flipping times our corners never get past the first player ? It's beyond ridiculous. An eight year old could hit a better, decent corner than our lot.

I really don't understand and it is mind-boggling to be honest.
 
Shooting isn't my main gripe, although it's baffling because you're wondering what these millionaires actually practise during training.

Corner-taking for me, is the biggest mystery ever. I mean, think about it....we've got a specialist coach for throw-ins (!!!), but none for corners. It's quite laughable to be honest. How many flipping times our corners never get past the first player ? It's beyond ridiculous. An eight year old could hit a better, decent corner than our lot.

I really don't understand and it is mind-boggling to be honest.

If there actually was a specialist corner coach I think we'd use them. As you say, we're strangely poor at it, but most teams are. I'd rather we took more short corners, then whip it in at an angle.
 
Anyone think Grujic will ever make it. He's got a hammer of a shot, and surely would have done more with those chances that fell to our starting midfield yesterday
 
Ive often thought that actually the standard of player is going backwards compared to 10 - 20 years ago....

When you look back at some of the strikes Gerrard, Henry, Shearer etc etc used to make from distance or on the volley it really shows the lack of quality in finishing nowadays....

Trouble is I think they had more time on the ball to attempt such finishes compared to the mega athletes of today.... you just get closed down to quick in order to set yourself for a great hit
 
But many of these shots, especially from defenders and midfielders, come precisely when they're NOT pressed and they think, 'Hey, I've got the time and space here, I may as well have a pop'. And then the ball STILL flies over the crossbar.
 
Ive often thought that actually the standard of player is going backwards compared to 10 - 20 years ago....

When you look back at some of the strikes Gerrard, Henry, Shearer etc etc used to make from distance or on the volley it really shows the lack of quality in finishing nowadays....

Trouble is I think they had more time on the ball to attempt such finishes compared to the mega athletes of today.... you just get closed down to quick in order to set yourself for a great hit

The ball gets lighter every year. I'm not making excuses, but I absolutely am making excuses.
 
But many of these shots, especially from defenders and midfielders, come precisely when they're NOT pressed and they think, 'Hey, I've got the time and space here, I may as well have a pop'. And then the ball STILL flies over the crossbar.

I think the problem also is that a lot of youngsters get overtrained into 1 particular position or set of skills.... and therefore dont have the rounded set of technique like you used to have with a Gerrard type say....

Its too much kick and rush nowadays, the art of passing 1 touch or dribbing past a man etc seems like it isnt quite as prevalent as it used to be....

I dont know, maybe it just seems that way or that defenders are actually better now so that extra split second on the ball no longer exists?

Or maybe players just arent as good as they used to be like I say? But then you can say that about a lot of era's it does seem to go in cycles also....
 
Anyone think Grujic will ever make it. He's got a hammer of a shot, and surely would have done more with those chances that fell to our starting midfield yesterday

I'm afraid he isn't very good at football
 
Anyone think Grujic will ever make it. He's got a hammer of a shot, and surely would have done more with those chances that fell to our starting midfield yesterday
Getting rave reviews in Germany. His manager called him the best defensive midfielder who's ever worn the Hertha shirt.
 
I think the problem also is that a lot of youngsters get overtrained into 1 particular position or set of skills.... and therefore dont have the rounded set of technique like you used to have with a Gerrard type say....

Its too much kick and rush nowadays, the art of passing 1 touch or dribbing past a man etc seems like it isnt quite as prevalent as it used to be....

I dont know, maybe it just seems that way or that defenders are actually better now so that extra split second on the ball no longer exists?

Or maybe players just arent as good as they used to be like I say? But then you can say that about a lot of era's it does seem to go in cycles also....

I think Coutinho scored more goals from outside the box in one season for us than Gerrard will have done over a few.
 
Getting rave reviews in Germany. His manager called him the best defensive midfielder who's ever worn the Hertha shirt.

Called him the besy midfielder thats ever played for the club, coming from a coach thats been with them 22 years thats some praise. Id like to see him continue there for the season and see where we are in the summer. I reckon only one of Hendo and Milner will be at the club next season and with continuing doubts about Oxs injury record there may well be room for Grujic in the squad
 
Called him the besy midfielder thats ever played for the club, coming from a coach thats been with them 22 years thats some praise. Id like to see him continue there for the season and see where we are in the summer. I reckon only one of Hendo and Milner will be at the club next season and with continuing doubts about Oxs injury record there may well be room for Grujic in the squad
I think this might be Milner's last season with us, that is if Leeds get promoted. He still hasn't signed a new contract.
 
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