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Shaq

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by rurikbird, Jul 30, 2018.

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  1. rurikbird

    rurikbird Very Well-Known Honorary Member

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    I didn't want Shaqiri, but now that he's a Liverpool player all of it is in the past – I'll support and root for him like every other player. His past behavior was often the opposite of the team-first mentality instituted here by Klopp, but it looks like the club has decided it's a gamble that can afford to make, especially with him coming here not as some kind of "savior," but with a point to prove after bouncing around clubs and last season's relegation. And in terms of money this is not a gamble at all – even if he does absolutely nothing next season he will fetch significantly more than £13M should we decide to sell him next summer, simply due to the absence of the release clause. Given Ox's season-long injury (announced only after Shaq was signed), this now looks like a shrewd move from LFC.






    In football terms, his debut was absolute perfection – OK, the overhead kick goal was great and important for his confidence (not that he's lacking in that department), but the way he played and integrated into the team reminisced of Shaqiri of his best Bayern days when he looked like he could become a real star under Guardiola's tutelage. In these 45 minutes there was almost no moment when he tried to do too much – there were several potential opportunities to shoot or dribble which he passed up in favor of moving the game along with simple, but highly effective passing and movement. His movement was honestly a joy to watch – he always made the extra few steps to receive the ball in space, if a defender got close he easily held it up using his strong frame, and he popped up everywhere from deep central midfield to both flanks to making a few darting runs beyond the defensive line, like the one that led to the assist to Sturridge. His role in Klopp's system in this game actually reminded me of Gotze, a player who makes the game tick with his constant movement and ability to hold up the ball, but also picks his moments to run beyond the defensive line.

    If there is one small flaw I noticed is that when he drifts to the left flank he seems unsure what to do with the ball on his naturally strong left foot – a few times that resulted in a tame floated cross when another player (think of Mane for example) might have found something far more dangerous there. He can't quite stretch beyond a defender to properly wrap his foot around the ball and isn't comfortable cutting in on his weaker side. All in all, this was a 10/10 debut and I think the real test for Shaqiri will be whether at some point he will slip into becoming overconfident and selfish again – it's very early, but so far he seems determined to get on Klopp's good side and play and sound every bit like a team player.
     
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  2. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    "Positional intelligence during build-up is something seemingly not even 90% of footballers have, that's when you come across someone who's as good as Shaqiri, it just stands out, even when it looks basics. Most players who were coached by Guardiola have this ability, obviously."

    Wise words from Jan Riha, I'm certainly convinced.

    I was very intrigued by his "compact blocks, layed out in a narrow line" also, as his thoughts mirror mine exactly about obtaining an edge by "taking few steps back and receiving behind players' peripheral vision".

    I'd quite like to beat him to death
     
  3. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Yeah...I don't get this part.
     
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    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside HAHA! Member

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    I said if Klopp wanted him I wanted him.

    I think he'll do well at 13m and competition of Solanke, Ings and Woodburn the bar is pretty low.

    Hopefully he smashes it early doors
     
  5. rurikbird

    rurikbird Very Well-Known Honorary Member

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    Keep in mind that this guy is not a native English speaker. So if it sounds unnecessarily technical, it's probably not because he's trying to sound like a professor.
     
  6. Judge Jules

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    What's not to get about Rurik's attitude?  Didn't want him but willing to get behind him now he's ours.  Seems perfectly clear to me.

    How it might all turn out is a different question.  Was talking to a Stoke supporter recently who's a fan of the player Shaqiri but not of the person - reckons he downed tools and couldn't be @rsed as last season went on, though he's easily good enough to have contributed a lot more and possibly helped them stay up.  Still, if it's a risk Klopp's willing to take, I'm in too.
     
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    What's not to get? It echos my feelings entirely. I didn't particularly want him. Now he's here, he has a clean slate from me and I want him to do well.
     
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    I'm starting to think more and more than Klopp sees him playing in the midfield three, rather than rotating with Mane, Firmino & Salah - although on occasions he could do that but I hope to see him charging through the middle.
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    It's more that it sounds unnecessarily fucking bollocks.
    As for being coached by Guardiola, that didn't really work out because as soon as Guardiola arrived, Shaqiri was benched and then sold.

    Still, he has many basic qualities that I enjoy in an attacking footballer: fast, can score goals, decent shot.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Jesus H.Christ
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    You're not doing much to help clear up the confusion
     
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    rurikbird Very Well-Known Honorary Member

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    Not quite like that – Guardiola did try to integrate him into his ways, but I suspect in the end it was again the attitude. Shaqiri probably reminded him too much of Ibrahimovic :)
     
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    rurikbird Very Well-Known Honorary Member

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    I think Modo's comment was a self-deprecating joke that most of you somehow took on face value.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    I'd be tempted to blame the execution, rather than the audience
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    Execution, deffo.
     
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    Modo is joking as he has history of not supporting a player he originally didn't want us to sign.
     
  18. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    Oh, I must have missed that. Understandable. I miss most of his posts.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    I think you guys should start a campfire here and discuss my joke methodology.
     
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    It was shit /enddiscussion
     
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