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Managerial merry-go-round

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If you look at the management career paths of some of the most prominent coaches in the world right now, it's possible to separate them into 3 rough categories:

1. Italian World: take years to build careers from grassroots level.
Allegri: 4 clubs in Serie C and B, then Cagliari, then Milan and Juve
Ancelotti: Reggiana in Serie B (promoted), then already a big job with Parma (unusually quick rise for an Italian coach)
Simeone: 4 clubs in Argentina, Catania in Serie A, then Atletico Madrid (not Italian by birth, but clearly by mentality and career choices)
Conte: 2 teams in Serie B, then Atalanta, Siena, Juve, etc

2. Middle Europe: a balanced path from mid-table to the top
Klopp: Mainz, Dortmund, Liverpool
Tuchel: Augsburg, Mainz, Dortmund, PSG
Heynckes: Gladbach, then Bayern etc
Wenger: Nancy, Monaco, Japan, Arsenal

3. England, Spain, Portugal and Holland: go big right away
Guardiola: Barcelona etc
Zidane: Real Madrid
Mourinho: Benfica, Uniao de Leiria, Porto etc
Van Gaal: Ajax, Barca, etc
Hiddink: PSV, Fenerbahce, Valencia, Real Madrid etc

In terms of producing the best average quality of managers, the first path is clearly superior – Italian and Italian-educated managers generally dominate in the football world and they hardly ever need to hire a foreigner in Serie A (and unimaginable for the national team). But in terms of top, top talent I would argue that career path almost doesn't matter – the true greats of coaching will end up at the top either way, whether their first job is Barcelona or Reggiana. With all that said, I feel that for Arsenal's identity it would be actually more natural (and in a way more noble) to give a chance to someone like Arteta rather than step onto the "international coaching merry-go-round" with the usual names.
I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make with those examples.
The line ‘It doesnt matter about your career path’ is the best bit.
 
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I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make with those examples.
The line ‘It doesnt matter about your career path’ is the best bit.

"I've done some analysis and after careful consideration and study of the available data, I have concluded that it doesn't matter"
 
"I've done some analysis and after careful consideration and study of the available data, I have concluded that it doesn't matter"
Pretty much. I know im not really Ruriks target audience, same as I wasnt Ryans when he did all this shite 10 years ago, but the examples and categorisations are bizarre and random and a bit mad.
 
"I've done some analysis and after careful consideration and study of the available data, I have concluded that it doesn't matter"

A. Different countries/football cultures have different way they go about educating emerging managers. That's a pretty well-known fact; I just tried to find some logic in regional/country grouping. Definitely grossly oversimplified, but I didn't mean to write a PHD thesis on this here.

B. English teams in particular have a tendency to take risks on unproven managers.

C. Arsenal are an English team which prides itself on growing, rather than buying talent (somewhat similar to Barcelona), therefore I think it makes sense for them to take a chance on a promising former player (like Barcelona did with Pep).

All in my opinion, of course.
 
B. English teams in particular have a tendency to take risks on unproven managers.
- Liverpool - Klopp, Houllier, Rafa, Rodgers Hodgson all proven top flight managers.
United - Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho - all proven top flight managers
Chelsea - Conte, Ancellotti, Mourinho, Hiddink, Rafa.......
Arsenal - havnt signed a manager in 20 years so who knows.

I have no idea where you get the assumption that English teams take risks. Unless you mean Arsenal in 1994 or whenever.

C. Arsenal are an English team which prides itself on growing, rather than buying talent (somewhat similar to Barcelona), therefore I think it makes sense for them to take a chance on a promising former player (like Barcelona did with Pep).

See above.
 
While it's true they've stuck to Wenger for decades, I think the push for change in Arsenal's case is in definitely in motion. Given the no. of personnel they brought in for 'powerful' role - such as ex-Barca DoF Raul Sanllehi and Sven Mislintat as Head of Recruitment, it's understandable why they might prefer to go with someone who will focus more on coaching and developing players - Bundesliga style appointment of a young Head Coach, following the trend of Dardai (Hertha Berlin), Nagelsmann (Hoffeinheim), Tedesco (Schalke), Baum (Augsburg) and Kohfeldt (Werder Bremen).

On a side note, Ralph Hasenhuttl has left Leipzig.
 
It's amusing how people in the media now seem to love Rafa and think he's a really likeable and excellent manager. When he was with us he was sneered at. Today I've heard over-excited radio presenters suggesting Rafa should go to West Ham, Arsenal or Everton ('It doesn't matter these days,' claimed one of them, 'Liverpool fans wouldn't mind at all if he went to Everton, and Everton fans would love him'). Incredible.
 
It's amusing how people in the media now seem to love Rafa and think he's a really likeable and excellent manager. When he was with us he was sneered at. Today I've heard over-excited radio presenters suggesting Rafa should go to West Ham, Arsenal or Everton ('It doesn't matter these days,' claimed one of them, 'Liverpool fans wouldn't mind at all if he went to Everton, and Everton fans would love him'). Incredible.
People are silly
 
Fonseca signing a new contract with Donetsk.
West Ham opting for Pellegrini it seems.
 
I feel sorry for Rafa... twice now he has ended up with shite owners... that Sports direct cunt doesn't give a fuck at Newcastle and Rafa got them mid-table with a squad that was basically unchanged from the first division.

West Ham... a better bet than Newcastle under their current ownership.

Personally, I'd think he would be a dangerously good fit for Arsenal but I doubt they will try and sign him.
 
Lambert gone from Stoke.

This has a job for Fat Sam written all over it.
 
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