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Poll Let's end this Rafa debate with a vote

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If Klopp was sacked, would you want Rafa back?

  • Yes, he'd be my first choice.

    Votes: 28 31.8%
  • Yes, but he's not my first choice.

    Votes: 17 19.3%
  • No, never go back.

    Votes: 29 33.0%
  • No, I mean hell no!

    Votes: 8 9.1%
  • Don't care.

    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .
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"Yes, but he's not my first choice" seems rather vague, if probably the correct answer.

But it depends what the other choices were. If it was, say a manager of the calibre of Roy Hodgson, then obviously you'd choose Benitez out of those two.
If it was Benitez or Simeone, for example, then no.

How can we know who might be available, or emerge as a top quality managerial talent in the next year or three?
 
I voted 'no, never go back' but it was just the best option as I just mean no. He's not good enough. Nothing to do with going back. Everything to do with looking forward.
 
I don't get why we can't discuss it. So there is no context or perspective to the debate? To massage the ego of a Rafa fan?
 
I wanted a no, but not a hell no as he's a good manager, and I didn't want the never go back no either as that's just stupid. But it is a no, Crouch on the wing, nuff said.
 
I wanted a no, but not a hell no as he's a good manager, and I didn't want the never go back no either as that's just stupid. But it is a no, Crouch on the wing, nuff said.

No, it isn't. Managers and players have proven the truth of it numerous times over the years. It may not be a simple matter to figure out why it happens, but calling something "stupid" just because you don't understand it is arguably stupid in itself.
 
No, it isn't. Managers and players have proven the truth of it numerous times over the years. It may not be a simple matter to figure out why it happens, but calling something "stupid" just because you don't understand it is arguably stupid in itself.

Yeah, although playing Crouch on the wing was impossible to understand, and inarguably stupid.
 
No, it isn't. Managers and players have proven the truth of it numerous times over the years. It may not be a simple matter to figure out why it happens, but calling something "stupid" just because you don't understand it is arguably stupid in itself.

So managers and players can't improve? So if they were average or developing at one point, you should never no back? Sure, not stupid at all.
 
Brendan: no argument there, though Hodgson actually managed to top it with England (IMO of course) when he had Kane take corners rather than get on the end of them.
 
So managers and players can't improve? So if they were average or developing at one point, you should never no back? Sure, not stupid at all.

It's got bugger all to do with them developing or not developing, and everything to do with the fact - the FACT - that when they return to previous clubs, in whatever circs, things usually don't work out.
 
Newell's old boys, Sporting, and Rangers, had best all hope that Messi, Ronaldo and Alex Ferguson don't turn up for training/managing next week as they'd be ruined!
 
I don't get why we can't discuss it. So there is no context or perspective to the debate? To massage the ego of a Rafa fan?

It feels like it's been discussed in half the threads of late. Curiously coinciding with a poor run of form and playing Rafa's Newcastle.

Prior to that I can't really recall there being much mention of Rafa's relevance to the here and now.
 
It's got bugger all to do with them developing or not developing, and everything to do with the fact - the FACT - that when they return to previous clubs, in whatever circs, things usually don't work out.

Does it even happen that often? It's a pretty interesting topic.

I suppose Mourinho and Chelsea was an example of success - however brief.

Kenny's return as Liverpool manager was not. And if you look at players who have returned, then Fowler was a waste of time, and even Rushy wasn't as successful and prolific after his year at Juve, although it's hard to say if that was more to do with the lack of team-mates like Souness and Kenny second time around. And he did score another 139 goals or whatever!

It really depends on the age and quality of a player. I don't think anyone regretted re-signing Matic at Chelsea or Pogba at United.

As for managers, that's a little harder to have any real definitive agreement about. Do they get better over time? Dalglish didn't appear to. Keegan was a disaster at Newcastle.
There isn't really that many examples of managers returning to former clubs is there?
 
"Crouch on the wing" happened exactly once (at Reading I think), didn't work & wasn't tried again . But it was followed up with the equally nonsensical (or so it seemed at the time) "Kuyt on the wing", which did work very well for the following few seasons.
You could also point to the replacement of Gerrard with Lucas in a Goodison derby, as an equally "mad thing" to do, but the result proved otherwise.
"Mad things" often become sensible in retrospect when viewed in the light of results (you could even use Ray Kennedy as an example there), but if "mad things" were not attempted then a win in a derby or a period of Kuyt putting in some great performances at right midfield would not have ever happened.
 
Does it even happen that often? It's a pretty interesting topic.

I suppose Mourinho and Chelsea was an example of success - however brief.

Kenny's return as Liverpool manager was not. And if you look at players who have returned, then Fowler was a waste of time, and even Rushy wasn't as successful and prolific after his year at Juve, although it's hard to say if that was more to do with the lack of team-mates like Souness and Kenny second time around. And he did score another 139 goals or whatever!

It really depends on the age and quality of a player. I don't think anyone regretted re-signing Matic at Chelsea or Pogba at United.

As for managers, that's a little harder to have any real definitive agreement about. Do they get better over time? Dalglish didn't appear to. Keegan was a disaster at Newcastle.
There isn't really that many examples of managers returning to former clubs is there?

Howard Kendall did it twice at Everton (talk about the triumph of hope over experience) with worse results each time, and it happens surprisingly often below Prem level (probably because it's harder to get people to come to some of those clubs) with a high failure rate.
 
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