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League won.

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Oncy, Apr 16, 2018.

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  1. Oncy

    Oncy Administrator Administrator

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    Probably worth mentioning that the league has been won right?

    By the club who has spent £450 million in the last 3 transfer windows.

    I dont for one second deny they have played some super football and deserve to have won. But in reality all they have done is what they fucking should have.
    If you rank the teams on spend and merit against league position you would have to say City are on par, United have failed, we are probably slightly ahead of where we should be, Spurs are ahead for sure, Chelsea and Arsenal have been abject failures as both should be challenging the title.

    I dont think we will see another 200m spent by Pep in summer or it buggers up his claim the half a billion he has spent in 2 seasons was to overhaul an old squad.
    They will spend of course, and you would expect united to back Jose big again, the rest of us will do what we always do and spend 20-30m net.

    What do you think for next year, what will it take to get us up there with City.
    Theres a big gap.
     
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    Atlas Well-Known Member

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    I think we are way ahead of where we should be, Spurs similarly are miles ahead.  Chelsea and Arsenal have been shocking.

    As for next season, I think we are at a point where we are quite stable across the club.  I don't think the same can be said for the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Man U.  City I think are also in quite a stable position.

    What happens with managers at Arsenal and City will be huge in terms of how they move forward next season.  I don't think Arsenal have the squad at the moment to challenge for top 4, losing Wenger could be bad keeping him could be worse.
    Conte at Chelsea will probably leave and it depends on who they get in but with Hazard being touted to the likes of Real that would be really bad news for them.
    Man u are very unstable, Jose could chuck his toys out the pram at any point.  Players are not performing to their potential seemingly the same as Chelsea under Jose.
     
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    Dirty Sanchez I Moustache You a Question Member

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    So do managers matter? @Rosco
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    We're not getting there with the squad as is, so money has to be spent.
    Start with building a decent midfield, then get a decent supporting striker or competition for Firmino.
    I think we could do with a good CB as well, maybe a backup LB.
    All in all we do need at least 3-4 upgrades in the starting XI. Fixing that would at same time give us decent bench options.

    Draxler would be a perfect signing.
    Keita already coming.
    Decent DM, maybe the guy in Monaco.
    CB from Lazio no not Lucas.
    Celtic LB maybe, or a kid so we can sell Moreno.
     
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    Rosco Worse than Brendan Administrator

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    Pep does. He's amazing
     
  6. Oncy

    Oncy Administrator Administrator

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    Id make Oldham amazing with half a billion quid.
     
  7. Insignificance

    Insignificance Bad to the bone Member

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    Good shout and yes they should Challenge for and win the League. They have however won it in a fashionable way which should have been avoided by the other Challengers. Especially the United fans (and of course the odd other fans pointing out for some fucked up reason) though Points out that United would/could have won if it wasn't for City and hence have a respectable season. United have failed massive based on their Investments over the two last Seasons.

    Congrats to City for their achievement... I am really happy it stops With the League and a League Cup as it looked like they could have challenged on more fronts.

    When it comes to future Investments I am not so sure what it holds for City (or United). They seem to splash enourmous amount of cash and this summer will probably not be different. But that doesn't mean they get that much better quality than other spending less. You still have to find the right players, and to use an example I am not so sure that the gap on i.e. fullbakcs is as huge now as it was at the start of the season, hence we have invested ten times better than them there and developed the players we have in a better way. I am certain that United will buy one or two fullbacks this summer, and probably spend huge money as well. But who to buy? They have shown that for all the big Money spent on Damians and Shaws it is not necessary good enough anyway. City have used a CB to try stopping Salah, after spending all those Money on fullbacks.

    Our problem Next season is to Balance the midfield, and good CM's doesn't come for free. We furthermore need to solve the CD slot Next to VVD. There we might find a bargain. However, City probably need to find a CM themselves (Ferndinho is not getting younger, and neither is SIlva).

    Position for position top Three:

    Goalie:
    United - Might be sorted/Might need a megainvestement
    City- Sorted
    Us- Probably sorted/spend big

    Fullbacks:
    United - Big Money to be spent
    City - Sorted
    Us - Small changes to be spent

    CD:
    United - Big spending needed
    City - Big spending needed
    Us - Small Investment needed

    DCM/CM:
    United - Big Investment needed to cement the Mourinho tactics
    City- Big Investment possible?
    Us - Big Investment needed

    AM:
    United - Should be sorted With what they have, but probably look to strengthen
    City - Should be sorted With what they have but possible investment
    Us - Probably keep what we have, but might add another

    Attack:
    United - Should be sorted but who knows
    City - Unsure, some logistic to be expected? Aguero out and big signing in?
    Us- Back up needed.

    So all in all United need to spend more than us and City. Both we and United should narrow the gap we have seen this year. However based on end of season results and performances we are clearly the one closest to City at present.
     
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    City appaz want Mbappe, Weigl and a CB. They'll spend over 200 mill £ again.
    We'll have net spend like we havent had for a number of years this summer, no doubt.

    The big question is if it will be enough. City will have such a large quality squad and showed this season what a force they are becoming.
    It will be interesting to see what kind of approach other teams make to City's playing style next season. They might decline a bit point wise but we'd need a perfect season to challenge them for the title.

    Keita, Rabiot, Pulisic and a quality CB. A back up striker to Firmino.  We need more depth and quality but we are slowly building a very very good team.


    Utd will hang on to Jose for one more season at least. They'll spend big, but we've already seen that its more down to Jose and if he can change his philosophy. I doubt that he can.

    Spurs will decline a bit next year I reckon. Arsenal and Chelsea will have new managers and probably no CL footy but Thursday games.

    It could be a race between us, City and Utd with Spurs as outsiders.
     
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    On so many occasions this season we should've taken 3 points and ended with none or one but if we start next season the way we're ending this one I think we'll win those matches. There's a confidence and style of play on show currently that we need to challenge for the league imo, that along with a deeper squad.
     
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    Pep might be a dick and has spent a lot of money. But its still impressive how City have been playing this season.  They deserved the title, no doubt.
    He's won the league in 7 of the 9 seasons he's been a manager. He's obviously a fantastic manager, developing players, reinventing himself and the team, buying the right players etc. As Rurik has pointed out though, he's biggest flaw is the need to do this to the extreme and being to clever for himself.

    I dont like Pep, but he deserves some credit as well. Winning the league and playing some sensational football.
    His counterpart at Utd is taking the other approach, to say the least.
     
  11. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    Not when you've spent £1billion. You'd have to be a total mug to NOT to win the title at the Emptyhad.
     
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    Fabio Former mod, consistent c*** Honorary Member

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    Cunts said they need to spend massive to compete on all fronts

    Mate, you don't. You just need to show a bit of flexibility and rotate appropriately

    I'd get city playing lovely football too, because they have fantastic technical players.


    Over 6m spent for a point if they get to 100 points. First time ever.

    It's fucking ludicrous
     
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    Bit of a shame for City that such a feat has come through their rivals losing rather than the elation of winning a game to get it in the bag. They've had an awful two weeks which I think puts a huge anti climax on their achievements and I wonder what going out in the CL will mean for the owners and their relationship with Pep.

    Where will City strengthen this summer? Another striker, or maybe bolster the defence even further as if Laporte & Stones weren't enough. A DM to replace Fernandinho must be on the agenda soon too.
     
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    Fabio Former mod, consistent c*** Honorary Member

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    Fucking Messi in his pomp and a 2 horse race in Germany

    He's good, but he's nowhere near fantastic.
     
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    Oncy Administrator Administrator

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    I dont buy it.
    Barcelona, Bayern, Citeh. Spending 100s of millions. Thats not impressive to me. At all.
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    What? They've won it 6 times on the bounce. Everyone knows that's a joke league.
     
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    Fabio Former mod, consistent c*** Honorary Member

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    Yeah, I didn't want to say 1 horse race

    Not a race then is it

    Just a horse, running for no reason other than because he's being whipped
     
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    More than ever, how good a transfer window the top 6 have decides who will compete for the title and top 4.
    It's that tight, you can't really afford a bad window.

    Priorities:
    Keep our best players.
    Buy - Quality striker (Firmino competition)
    Buy - Def- Midfielder (Can replacement)
    Buy - Centre-Back (Better than Lovren)
    Buy - Keeper (Better than Karius)

    The interesting one for me is Karius. Klopp has a big decision there. It's stick or twist, with his decision maybe the difference between us mounting a push for the title.
     
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    Fabio Former mod, consistent c*** Honorary Member

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    That horse wouldn't run

    You never watched BoJack horseman
     
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