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Sadly I doubt that Origi has that much potential, as he had plenty of outings for LFC without impressing, and loanee clubs Lille and Wolfsburg weren't anxious to hang on to him.

However, football is all about hope, and I think he is worth a place on the bench. He somehow looks more solidly-built than he used to. Maybe it is just the effect of the dreadlocks.

Yea it would seem that way, his chances look very much dead and buried. The one thing you could say is that dropping any of our front three into the an average team like Lille could well produce similar results. It's all about the setup and team mates.

I love sturridge but he's painful to watch, a rare flash of brilliance is just not enough and there's no way on earth he can challenge Bobby. I'm not a Solanke fan in all honestly, hopefully that's proven wrong.
 
Fabinho was very good, I think he would have been better alongside Milner, but anyway, he read the game exceptionally well with some vital interceptions, neat passing and he's another who's dominant in the air.
There's a few of us who were really excited by his signing. A more defence-minded midfielder with skills. I'm really pleased for the lad because nobody can say he has only performed against less intense opposition now - that was real blood and guts in there. Quality performance yesterday.
 
I thought Fabinho committed to too many tackles yesterday that he ended up completely missing and exposing the space in behind – this is where he needs to improve. Henderson might be a more limited player, but when he does go for a tackle, he usually makes sure to win it – or bring down the opponent. I like the aggression from Fabinho, but he's not quite there with his judgement.
 
Overall, I really liked this game – we just talked about how it's impossible to bring back last season's blood-and-thunder approach, but that's pretty much what happened. The counter-pressing looked far more aggressive than in any game this season so far and our front 3 were combining again – still missing a bit of sharpness, but they showed signs of life. There were elements of this season's style as well – for the most part we managed to impose our style and rhythm on a very dangerous Everton side.

Origi... sometimes raw athleticism and a bit of enthusiasm is all you need. People say Klopp is poor at making substitutions – well, this one was as gutsy and inspired as they come. Even before the goal, Origi hit the bar and almost created a goal for Mane. In a way, Sturridge and Origi complemented each other; if we can't combine them into a single player (obviously Daniel's brain in Divock's body, not the other way around) then maybe playing them together is an interesting option for some games.
 
I thought Fabinho committed to too many tackles yesterday that he ended up completely missing and exposing the space in behind – this is where he needs to improve. Henderson might be a more limited player, but when he does go for a tackle, he usually makes sure to win it – or bring down the opponent. I like the aggression from Fabinho, but he's not quite there with his judgement.
Yeah sorry Rurik but yesterday's stats (6 completed tackles - game high) simply don't bear that opinion out .. nor does the Yellow he got for two aggressive tackles that brought down opponents ;)
 
Yeah sorry Rurik but yesterday's stats (6 completed tackles - game high) simply don't bear that opinion out .. nor does the Yellow he got for two aggressive tackles that brought down opponents ;)

I know he's won more tackles than anyone else – but how does that invalidate my point about being sucked in to challenge for the ball and bypassed, which happened a lot, especially in the first half? Hendo is not as good a tackler, but he picks his moments better.
 
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One point on tactics. This was the first game I can remember when it was clear that we have 2 playmakers who get the ball to feet and look to distribute it (Shaq and Firmino) and 2 forwards (Mane and Salah) who constantly make runs to receive the ball on the move. This is the first time I noticed such clear division of roles – and sure enough, Klopp mentioned this after the game. Watch out for this in the next run of games – I think this is the kind of balance Klopp will now try to maintain, even if personnel changes from game to game (for instance Origi for Mane or Sturridge – yes, he's a playmaker – for Firmino). This is why Milner didn't come on: I think Klopp's thinking right now is going a bit away from the 4-3-3 and to his unique take on 4-2-2-2, where the last "2" are actually both wingers or wing-forwards rather than centre-forwards.
 
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We also seemed to be making a greater effort at pressing higher up the pitch. I can recall Fabinho Gini and Mane all winning the ball back and launching attacks from high up the pitch.
 
I thought Fabinho committed to too many tackles yesterday that he ended up completely missing and exposing the space in behind – this is where he needs to improve. Henderson might be a more limited player, but when he does go for a tackle, he usually makes sure to win it – or bring down the opponent. I like the aggression from Fabinho, but he's not quite there with his judgement.

I didn't say much after the PSG game because I was pissed off, but I've probably never seen Henderson get that exposed before. He barely won any challenges.
 
Fabinho should certainly learn when to follow through with a tackle and when to stand off, but his aggressive style startet at least two very good chances that we should have scored from.

He had a very good game.
 
I know he's won more tackles than anyone else – but how does that invalidate my point about being sucked in to challenge for the ball and bypassed, which happened a lot, especially in the first half? Hendo is not as good a tackler, but he picks his moments better.

I lost count of how many times Henderson did exactly that in the 1st half against PSG.
 
I know he's won more tackles than anyone else – but how does that invalidate my point about being sucked in to challenge for the ball and bypassed, which happened a lot, especially in the first half? Hendo is not as good a tackler, but he picks his moments better.
Hendo hardly picks his moments - he gets by-passed because he's not fast enough nor does he read the game well enough and he picked his moments to tackle very well against Watford didn't he :) So as far as Fabinho in yesterday's match goes, sorry I have to disagree as I don't think he was "sucked in and bypassed" at all, as the match ratings and MotM picks probably emphasise.

Yesterday we were outnumbered in midfield because Shaq was clearly not contributing in that regard. I'd advocated Shaq starting - but I'd anticipated on the RW or at the head of midfield three, instead he stayed in an advanced RW slot, not replacing Salah who still spent most of the game out there, and Firmino didn't drop deep enough, often enough, to help out.
 
Fabinho should certainly learn when to follow through with a tackle and when to stand off, but his aggressive style startet at least two very good chances that we should have scored from.

He had a very good game.
Those were very notable. Quality play. We rarely see Hendo in that position so far up the pitch, however in his defence Gini/Milner don't work in tandem with him as Gini did with Fabinho yesterday (Gini dropping back whenever Fabinho moved into the final third).
 
Henderson has done well in enough games where hes mopped things up well and played the water carrier role well, don't forget he was converted into that role too, so I'm not sure citing the Watford game is really symptomatic of his time in that role - we've got far in the CL and find ourselves second in the league with him in that role, with a defense that's both well protected and well drilled. Having rings run around by the likes of Madrid and PSG is hardly surprising, does anyone remember Alonso and Gerrard again Milan? It happens against quality opposition, he's not the only one. Look at how well Gomes bossed our midfield yesterday at times.

There's validity in the point that Fabinho dived in, but it was useful also, he also held players up well and helped out the gap between Gomez and TAA continuously, while barking instructions at the two - that bodes well, but he's learning, has struggled in other games and the midfield balance still wasn't right. I notice froggy mention that this was down to Shaqiri, Henderson is more or less left in that deep role with no partner alongside him, Fabinho had Gini and we still looked vulnerable, so there's work and thought that needs doing there, but it's promising. Both will play their part and if Fabinho improves the first team or at the very least "options", then it can only be good for our progress. And competition can only be good for Hendo and Gini, because right now they're getting off lightly, due to the delay in Keita and Fabinho acclimatising to England.
 
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I missed the goal by a fucking minute as we sprinted out the stadium to get the 18:47 to Euston. The scenes outside Anfield were the real deal.

There were no taxis like there used to be just passed the Sandon (when did that stop?) We weren’t gonna make the train and just shouted at every taxi hoping someone was going to Lime Street. We got picked up by other reds and made it within a whisker.

Met Thommo on the train which sweetened it all up. What an absolute gentleman by the way. (Tried to post the pic from my phone, but not sure how!)

What a time to be alive.
 
Footy365's 16 conclusions:

[article]Had it not been for the utter madness of the final seconds, this would have been the best nil-nil of the season: both sides had chances, and both sides kept each other out through a combination of good goalkeeping, good defending and good luck, rather than one side smothering the other to the point that we wished we ourselves could also be smothered, as happened last year.

And then there was a final, horrible, ridiculous, exhilarating twist: a goal from the unlikeliest source, in the strangest circumstances, in the 96th minute. Who needs six goals when you get that one?[/article]
[article]Liverpool got away with it a number of times in the first half. Everton had four fantastic chances in the first 35 minutes that left the adjacent Kop holding its collective breath.

Yerry Mina headed just wide from a crossed free-kick after three minutes; Richarlison tripped over his own feet in the box when he would have been one-on-one with Alisson off Gomes’s wonderful through-ball; Gomes himself had a diving header denied by the double-whammy of an Alisson save and a Joe Gomez goal-line clearance; and the slightest of Alisson touches at Theo Walcott’s feet stopped the winger from rounding him and slotting into the empty net from Sigurdsson’s pass.[/article]
[article]This was the second game in a row that Liverpool were opened up by a combination of speed and well-timed through balls, perhaps revealing a weakness that more clinical sides could exploit down the line.

But it is still a positive that they aren’t conceding as freely as last season even after giving up those chances. It is certainly harder to identify individual errors, and the fact that Alisson played such a huge part in keeping out two of those opportunities shows why he was worth such an enormous amount of money.[/article]
[article]For Liverpool, it is a confidence-boosting victory to carry them into successive away trips to Burnley and Bournemouth, before a big week in which they host both Napoli – with their continued progress in the Champions League at stake – and Manchester United.

It’s worth noting that in that same period, City will visit Watford and, more intriguingly, Chelsea. So it’s entirely possible that Liverpool’s next home league game, against their fiercest enemies, could give them a chance to go top of the table; it’s also entirely possible they will go into Christmas out of the Champions League and with the title race all but dead.

It’s all getting very exciting, isn’t it?[/article]
 
Just a quick word (not read all the threads) on Origi.
That was super centre forward play.
To follow up and be that alert, to get your body round the ball like that and between the keeper and the ball.

Smart.

Maybe hes like Samson.
 
I also echo Andy's post re: origi. One of the biggest gripes with him is 'lack of instinct,' but yesterday's goal was brilliant because it was all about a striker's instinct ...
 
Blimey, Marco Silva hasn't taken long to channel the Blueshite Bitterness. He rejected Klopp's claim to have apologised to him for running on to the pitch, and yet you can clearly see when they're talking to each other that Klopp points to where he ran.
 
Merry Xmas, Everton! Let's have some early Yuletide RAAAAATTTIIIINNNNGS, shall we? Gather round ye merry gentlemen......

It was hardly deserved, but oh so wonderful to experience, as the best Everton side to visit for many a year were robbed of a point in the most dramatic and amusing fashion. Once again, we looked a pale attacking shadow of what we were last season, and the shape of the team is just not right. We go from looking compact to utterly porous within a few seconds, as we lurch creakily from attack to defence and back again. Maybe it's the switching of shape and set-up, and the 4-2-3-1? But it's December, and we are second, and we STILL haven't lost.

Alisson (8) A big, yellow, beardy wall. It's great having a top class goalkeeper after so many years of weak-wristed flapping spastics capering around in our box. He made one splendid reaction save from the superb Gomes, and then made Walcott shit himself. Yes. Looking like money very well spent.

TAA (6) Decent battle with that Brazilian bloke, who looks like he comes from Rhyl. Improving from his earlier season travails, but delivery from wide still inconsistent
Gomez (7) Back in his rightful position, bossing it in central defence, and also made a quite brilliant goal-line clearance.
Virgil (7) Maybe a little bit generous here, because he wasn't quite as assured as usual, with Richarlison a handful, and some of his defending almost sloppy, but we didn't concede and he also gets an assist of sorts, for his brilliant chipped cross for the goal. Genius.
Robbo (7) Pinned back back the pace and movement of Walcott and Richarlison in the first half, but never wavered in his application and concentration, and attacked more in the second half as Everton tired.

Wijnaldum (5) Ordinary, at best. He was totally outclassed by Gomes, and could never get hold of the game. He did a decent amount of work, but not enough quality or aggression to influence the game.
Fabinho (7) Strong start to the game, as he did his best to keep a lid on Everton with some good tackling and sharp interceptions. He was less impressive as the match progressed, and sometimes he needed to be a bit sharper with his passing, but this was much more like it. He's never going to be quite the midfield destroyer that we wanted, but he showed he can do a decent job when required.

Shaqiri (6) Buzzed about and looked to be positive when he was on the ball, but he does seem to be doing more than he actually is sometimes. Missed a good chance and subbed off after getting into a niggly battle.
Mane (7) Hmmmm. Hard to score this. He was easily our most dangerous player, and he caused Everton major conniptions when he was on the ball, but he wasted several great opportunities and should have scored at least once.
Salah (6) Is this generous? Maybe, yeah. He worked hard, but he simply isn't cut out to play as the focal point of the attack, but very fucking obvious reasons. One or two glimpses of his skill aside, he was a frustrated figure and seemed a bit pissed off when he left the pitch.
Firmino (3) Fucking dreadful. Again. Sloppy as fuck, slow, no goal threat and generally a waste of time and space.

Subs:
Keita (4) Did fuck all
Sturridge (5) one or two little moments of class, but never really threatened.
Origi (10) One turbo-charged Bale-style run down the right wing showed he was up for this, and then he followed up Virgil's shanked effort and was there to plop the ball in with his head, after Thomas T-Rex Turgoose made a total fucking hames of it.
 
I also echo Andy's post re: origi. One of the biggest gripes with him is 'lack of instinct,' but yesterday's goal was brilliant because it was all about a striker's instinct ...

He was in that position too for the one where he hit the bar, which I expected people to slate, but it was a difficult angle that he made the most of, not many of our attackers lurk around the 6 yard box like that, it was great to see.
 
Thats some very low ratings after a good match and some very good performances.
 
Thats some very low ratings after a good match and some very good performances.
I think its pretty bang on. Id probably give Alisson and Fabinho another point each and maybe Gomez too but thats about it
 
I think its pretty bang on. Id probably give Alisson and Fabinho another point each and maybe Gomez too but thats about it

Thats 3, and probably TAA as well. He had a good game, 7.
Wijnaldum was very good in the second half after a quiet first, 6
Doesnt matter anyway.

Winning the derby in 96th minute - 10
 
Origi (10) One turbo-charged Bale-style run down the right wing showed he was up for this, and then he followed up Virgil's shanked effort and was there to plop the ball in with his head.

Mate, it was a clear pass from Virgil - and he even faked out the Everton players by pretending it was an effort on goal. One of the greatest assists ever.
 
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