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My mate at work told me that a couple of weeks ago - and I said I have not heard of any speculation on our side regarding this. If this is true then FSG are fucking complete twats because this is the equivalent of replacing Suarez with Balo, and Lambert. If we don't make the CL for next season because of this - then this is all down to FSG and Klopp. Its fucking stupid in every way.

FSG don't choose who we sign.

Klopp is the guy who has the first and last say. If you aren't happy with a player we buy or sell, then it's Klopp you should be blaming not FSG.

Plenty of other ways to have a pop at them.
 
There isn’t a tweet like that on his timeline

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[bcolor=transparent]Liverpool hoping to speeding up Naby Keita's transfer from RB Leipzig following Philippe Coutinho departure [/bcolor]

[bcolor=transparent] 7 January 2018 • 6:00pm[/bcolor]
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iverpool will attempt to bring [bcolor=transparent]Naby Keita’s move to Anfield[/bcolor] forward in an attempt to fill [bcolor=transparent]the void left by Philippe Coutinho’s £142 million move to Barcelona[/bcolor].

As details emerge of the measures Coutinho took to push through his Nou Camp transfer – committing £11.5 million of his own cash to meet Liverpool’s valuation – his former club are considering how best to move on from his loss.
Keita, who has already been secured by Liverpool following a deal worth around £57 million, is on loan for the season at RB Leipzig. The German club is determined to retain him as they seek to qualify for next year’s Champions League, but Liverpool would be willing to pay more again to get him this month.

[bcolor=transparent]At this stage that still looks unlikely – Liverpool are respectful of the Bundesliga hierarchy’s stance given the professional way negotiations proceeded in the summer – but given the Merseyside club’s significantly swelled kitty they are in a strong financial position to make another tempting offer. Keita would rather join Liverpool this month with Leipzig eliminated from the Champions League.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]If Keita cannot be secured, Klopp may wait until the summer before re-investing the £142 million – all of which is available to spend on new recruits. However he is keeping all options open.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“We have never been in a better position in recent times, as a club, to react in the right way,” he said in response to Coutinho’s move.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]That means Klopp is ready to move for long-term targets if there is a realistic chance he can get them now. But with Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain settling in at Anfield and Adam Lallana back from injury, he will not rush, nor overpay just because the club is flush with cash. [bcolor=transparent]Liverpool know many clubs will now increase valuations when Liverpool call[/bcolor].[/bcolor]

[bcolor=transparent]Coutinho, meanwhile, will finalise his transfer on Monday having paid around £11.5 million of the £142 million fee to ensure Liverpool’s valuation was met. He paid an initial £9 million with the rest to follow.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]His insistence on leaving now succeeded in breaking Klopp’s resolve to keep him, the manager ultimately deciding he could not keep a player who did not buy into his vision for the future of the club.[/bcolor]
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FSG don't choose who we sign.

Klopp is the guy who has the first and last say. If you aren't happy with a player we buy or sell, then it's Klopp you should be blaming not FSG.

Plenty of other ways to have a pop at them.

So it was Klopp's decision to sell Coutinho?
 
Why did he sell him?

Because he wants people who play for him.

If not, he wants them gone.


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[bcolor=transparent]The fact is that keeping a player who doesn't want to stick around just doesn't sit right with Klopp.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]He's a manager who prides himself on the spirit and camaraderie in the squad. Focus and unwavering commitment aren't viewed as optional, regardless of the talent.[/bcolor]
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../jurgen-klopp-allowed-liverpool-sell-14123525
 
Because he wants people who play for him.

If not, he wants them gone.


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[bcolor=transparent]The fact is that keeping a player who doesn't want to stick around just doesn't sit right with Klopp.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]He's a manager who prides himself on the spirit and camaraderie in the squad. Focus and unwavering commitment aren't viewed as optional, regardless of the talent.[/bcolor]
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../jurgen-klopp-allowed-liverpool-sell-14123525

He didn't want to play for him in summer, and made that extravagantly, abundantly clear. Didn't sell him then. Was his plan to woo him and give him extra-special Jurgen Hugs every day, in the hope that he would change his mind?

And at what point did he realise that didn't work? Is it measured in special Jurgen Hugs? 100 special Jurgen Hugs with no reciprocation means he genuinely just had to go?
 
It's predictable but sad that Klopp's lines about the club were left off his statement when most media outlets quoted it. It's a fine response:



“I have been here long enough now to know in the history of Liverpool, key players have left before – but the club always goes on.

You cannot transfer the heart and soul of Liverpool Football Club, although I am sure there are many clubs who would like to buy it".
 
He didn't want to play for him in summer, and made that extravagantly, abundantly clear. Didn't sell him then. Was his plan to woo him and give him extra-special Jurgen Hugs every day, in the hope that he would change his mind?

And at what point did he realise that didn't work? Is it measured in special Jurgen Hugs? 100 special Jurgen Hugs with no reciprocation means he genuinely just had to go?

As stupid as your sarcastic post sounds, I think that’s the gist of it.
He wasn’t prepared to go 100 plus 1 hug.
 
Because he wants people who play for him.

If not, he wants them gone.


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[bcolor=transparent]The fact is that keeping a player who doesn't want to stick around just doesn't sit right with Klopp.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]He's a manager who prides himself on the spirit and camaraderie in the squad. Focus and unwavering commitment aren't viewed as optional, regardless of the talent.[/bcolor]
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../jurgen-klopp-allowed-liverpool-sell-14123525

Yes good that - the way it should be, but at the same time rather than being stubborn on a replacement - he should have had at least 3 options as potential replacements in mind before showing the door, and those options should be at least available to purchase and bring in January.
 
He didn't want to play for him in summer, and made that extravagantly, abundantly clear. Didn't sell him then. Was his plan to woo him and give him extra-special Jurgen Hugs every day, in the hope that he would change his mind?

And at what point did he realise that didn't work? Is it measured in special Jurgen Hugs? 100 special Jurgen Hugs with no reciprocation means he genuinely just had to go?

Not many players don't get their way. I have no idea as to the machinations of transfers, but the player seems to move in the end if he wants to,
 
Richarlison? We are down to 1 now.
I think he's a cracking player and worthy of a punt. Watford are struggling a bit. They only bought him for about £10m in the summer. Chelsea are after him too.
 
He didn't want to play for him in summer, and made that extravagantly, abundantly clear. Didn't sell him then. Was his plan to woo him and give him extra-special Jurgen Hugs every day, in the hope that he would change his mind?

And at what point did he realise that didn't work? Is it measured in special Jurgen Hugs? 100 special Jurgen Hugs with no reciprocation means he genuinely just had to go?

I'm not Klopp.

Non one can answer that.

But we know Klopp calls the shots and he has decided to accept the offer.

I back Klopp to replace him. I also fancy the current squad without Coutinho to get top four without him. We've been better without Coutinho this season.

We'll be fine. If Keita can come early that will be a huge boost too. Although I think it's unlikely.
 
He didn't want to play for him in summer, and made that extravagantly, abundantly clear. Didn't sell him then. Was his plan to woo him and give him extra-special Jurgen Hugs every day, in the hope that he would change his mind?

And at what point did he realise that didn't work? Is it measured in special Jurgen Hugs? 100 special Jurgen Hugs with no reciprocation means he genuinely just had to go?
Have you actually read Klopp's statement? Everything you need to know may be inferred therein. If you cannot join the dots then you're being obtuse.
 
I wondered when we would see the first speculative 'we could do better without Coutinho' posts

I was hoping for some matches won/ goals scored with Coutinho and without Coutinho though

Like we did when Suarez left
 
Chris Bascombe running the story that we're trying to move Keita's move forward to January. Now I don't believe this will happen, but would you be happy with this and us spending the money in the summer? Personally I would be, this January we'd have lost a massive creative fulcrum, but we'd have massively improved our central defence and midfield, to almost a point that would raise us an entire level as a team. There's so many games this season where I feel VVD and Keita would have made a massive difference, I can't wait to watch them play together in our team, and getting them both now means they're both fully settled and ready to go next season.
 
Richarlison? We are down to 1 now.

Think he's very like Firmino.

Works his ass off, creates loads of chances, can play a few different positions.

I like him and he'd suit us. Not sure he's the right player to replace Coutinho though.
 
Have you actually read Klopp's statement? Everything you need to know may be inferred therein. If you cannot join the dots then you're being obtuse.

His statement is bollocks and explains fuck all

My '100 Jurgen Hugs' theory is more sensible, although nothing that anyone has stated anywhere has really explained why we've sold one of our best players half way through a season, just four months after refusing to negotiate any transfer at all

Apart from the obvious: we got VVD, and needed to balance the books.
 
His statement is bollocks and explains fuck all

My '100 Jurgen Hugs' theory is more sensible, although nothing that anyone has stated anywhere has really explained why we've sold one of our best players half way through a season, just four months after refusing to negotiate any transfer at all

Apart from the obvious: we got VVD, and needed to balance the books.

I really don't think you understand Klopp if you think that's true.

He believes very strongly in unity, everyone fully committed & working together.

You're just going down the lazy, bash FSG line. As many of our other fans do.

Klopp calls the shots, that is clear. He's sold him because he doesn't want to be here and therefore Klopp doesn't want him as a result. It's not rocket science.
 
His statement is bollocks and explains fuck all

My '100 Jurgen Hugs' theory is more sensible, although nothing that anyone has stated anywhere has really explained why we've sold one of our best players half way through a season, just four months after refusing to negotiate any transfer at all

Apart from the obvious: we got VVD, and needed to balance the books.
For a smart guy sometimes you're as daft as a brush.
 
I feel quite positive about FSG at the moment, but the doubters should watch to see if this Coutinho fee is used to obscure other failings, because that's the danger. The truth is we have enough money to go out and compete for top players, without this Coutinho fee. We already had enough. So even if they use much of this fee to free Keita early, or secure someone for the summer, we still have the previously existing budget to bring in more players. And we need to do so.
 
Not sure we can replace coutinho, not many players can cut it in the same positions and provide similar qualities.

But I'd be interested in signing a center forward who can play wide as well. Our front 3 can't play every game and it might let Firmino have a go as a no. 10.

Richarlison looks good, what about the Dembele kid at Celtic or has he gone off the boil? Alexis Sanchez obviously but I'm sure he has no interest.

Knowing us it'll be Boufal but I'd love Pulisic
 
Think he's very like Firmino.

Works his ass off, creates loads of chances, can play a few different positions.

I like him and he'd suit us. Not sure he's the right player to replace Coutinho though.

He is more direct than Firmino and plays with his head up. Shoots well, beats his man and creates loads of chances. And he's only 20?

I think it's a no brainer.
 
Chris Bascombe running the story that we're trying to move Keita's move forward to January. Now I don't believe this will happen, but would you be happy with this and us spending the money in the summer? Personally I would be, this January we'd have lost a massive creative fulcrum, but we'd have massively improved our central defence and midfield, to almost a point that would raise us an entire level as a team. There's so many games this season where I feel VVD and Keita would have made a massive difference, I can't wait to watch them play together in our team, and getting them both now means they're both fully settled and ready to go next season.

Would be fine with this.
 
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