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End of season RAAAAAAATINGS!

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Oncy

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Mignolet - 7 very good for most of the season. Will almost undoubtably start next season in goal

Karius - 4 laughable time and again

Clyne - 6 hasnt done enough going forward and isnt all that solid at the back. Must do better next season

Milner - 7 was a strong 8 until recent poor form. Hasnt stopped all season long and has been in the main part great

Lovren - 6 up and down. On his day immense, on every other day laughable

Matip - 6 not awful. Not brilliant. An average score for an average defender

Klavan - 5 not a very good footballer

Lucas - 6 maybe deserves a 7 for the last few months, but was poor when played in defence

Henderson - 7 was missed greatly. Played well almost all season.

Can - 6 started the season poorly but has been great the last few weeks

Wijnaldum - 6 not spectacular but solid enough.

Lallana - 7 was an easy 8 but hasnt been the same since his injury. A good season and an important part

Firmino - 6 not consistent enough at all.

Coutinho - 8 hard not to give him an 8 given how often he has sorted us out this season but still needs consistency

Sturridge - na

Origi - 5 poor all round bang average

Mane - 8 player of the season for me and the one constant bright spark. How we missed him.

I dont think anyone else has played enough to get a rating.

Oh Klopp - 6
Bang average in the cups, poor a lot in the league but we got 4th ahead of Arsenal and United so fair play.
 
Harsh on the defence bar klaven, they deserve a 7. We offer no protection to the defence. They are Often left In one on one situations
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Harsh on the defence bar klaven, they deserve a 7. We offer no protection to the defence. They are Often left In one on one situations
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So being as 5 is average you think our defenders were well above average this season?
 
Matip 7
Wijnaldum 7
Firmino 7
Mane 9

Klopp 7

Other then that its pretty much spot on.
 
Lallana a solid 8 for me

Instrumental with mane for our good form in the first half of the season
 
Milner deserves more than a 7.

the guy is playing completely out of position and has been more than solid overall and offered some moments going forwards.

props to him for just getting on with it , although he obv needs replacing
 
Mignolet - 7

Clyne - 6
Milner - 8
Lovren - 6
Matip - 6
Klavan - 4

Lucas - 5
Henderson - 7
Can - 6.5
Wijnaldum - 7
Lallana - 8

Firmino - 7.5
Coutinho - 9
Sturridge - 5
Origi - 4
Mane - 9

Klopp - 8
 
Rubbish biased ratings.. Lucas deserves 7 but Firmino is only a 6 for not being consistent at all? This is another example of how the standards are always lowered where Lucas is concerned... He only needs to do the bare minimum for may be two games and it will be called a successful season.

Let me remind you...

Firmino was instrumental in almost all of our big wins against the top6 teams. He was also excellent at the start of the season...he was off-color at the end of the season, but even still came off the bench once and won us three points when we were looking listless.....compared against the three decent games that Lucas put together it is only miniscule...
 
Original poster: you were harsh on Matip (should be 7) and over generous on Lucas and Lovren (should be 5). What did Lucas really do? And Lovren is always a tackle away from disaster. And how can Milner get 7/8 over Clyne 6. Clyne is clearly overplayed and due a test but Clyne rarely gets beaten and targeted like Milner does... Defenders should be defenders first and attackers second, that's why Moreno can't get a game no matter how good he is going forward.
 
There was no member of the team who consistently underperformed in my opinion and we played some great stuff at times. Giving them a rating is difficult, everyone of them gave everything and we had a lot of bad luck this season.

In terms of player performances the main highlight for me has been the ENORMOUS improvement in Mignolet, he was by far the worst first team keeper we've ever had before now and this season he stepped up marvelously and actually won us points.

Shame we didn't have a bigger squad to deal with the horrific injury list which has been with us on and off badly since December.

I enjoyed it, I even thought we might win it early season, it will be considered a class season in my household if Ajax give United a smacking midweek.
 
HC said:
Milner deserves more than a 7.

the guy is playing completely out of position and has been more than solid overall and offered some moments going forwards.

props to him for just getting on with it , although he obv needs replacing
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Quite. He's been alot more consistent than most, playing in an alien position too. He's had a better season than Lovren, or Matip (sometimes looking the business, other times sluggish and guilty of errors).

mwake said:
Original poster: you were harsh on Matip (should be 7) and over generous on Lucas and Lovren (should be 5). What did Lucas really do? And Lovren is always a tackle away from disaster. And how can Milner get 7/8 over Clyne 6. Clyne is clearly overplayed and due a test but Clyne rarely gets beaten and targeted like Milner does... Defenders should be defenders first and attackers second, that's why Moreno can't get a game no matter how good he is going forward.
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Clyne has made quite a few defensive errors and has been hugely frustrating going forward this season. Milner also needs a rest, he's played as much football as Clyne has, so I'm not sure what the point was there. Milner has defended well for a player out of position, he's certainly been no less guilty of errors than Clyne has, even if he has been targetted more for playing in a different position to his natural role.
 
kingjulian said:
Rubbish biased ratings.. Lucas deserves 7 but Firmino is only a 6 for not being consistent at all? This is another example of how the standards are always lowered where Lucas is concerned... He only needs to do the bare minimum for may be two games and it will be called a successful season.

Let me remind you...

Firmino was instrumental in almost all of our big wins against the top6 teams. He was also excellent at the start of the season...he was off-color at the end of the season, but even still came off the bench once and won us three points when we were looking listless.....compared against the three decent games that Lucas put together it is only miniscule...
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Thanks for the reminder.
 
mwake said:
Original poster: you were harsh on Matip (should be 7) and over generous on Lucas and Lovren (should be 5). What did Lucas really do? And Lovren is always a tackle away from disaster. And how can Milner get 7/8 over Clyne 6. Clyne is clearly overplayed and due a test but Clyne rarely gets beaten and targeted like Milner does... Defenders should be defenders first and attackers second, that's why Moreno can't get a game no matter how good he is going forward.
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Milner was better than Clyne.
Matip missed much of the season.
Lovren played well in a lot of games but made some basic errors.
Lucas was poor in defence but when played in DM played well.
What did he do? Well he came back into our team and it coincided with a lot of clean sheets and a tighter defence and thats his job. If you want more he created 3 important goals that were vital in our push for top 4.
In spite of all that I gave him just a snip above average with a 6 as the late season form wasnt enough to make up for some distinctly average games at the back, even though that isnt his position.

Its small wonder that Firmino, Lucas, Milner etc create the most question as they are always the players that are the most divisive.

For me Firmino was no where near as good as Lallana this season, and Lallana was behind Coutinho and Mane in terms of consistency and points earned.

Anyway. Opinions are like arseholes.
 
Mignolet - 6
Karius - 5

Clyne - 6
Milner - 7
Lovren - 6
Matip - 6
Klavan - 5
Moreno - 5
TAA - 6

Lucas - 5
Henderson - n/a
Can - 7
Wijnaldum - 7
Lallana - 8

Firmino - 7
Coutinho - 9
Sturridge - n/a
Origi - 4
Mane - 9

Klopp - 8
 
Slightly negative ratings from Oncy. Considering that mainly our poor form in Jan/Feb etc. was when we were missing key players and others were played without respite leading to an inevitable drop off in form. Clearly a very nervous finish to the season affected form but they should have learnt from it.

6 is average.

Mignolet - 7.5 - Very shaky start but he's improved as the season went on and has actually been quite impressive recently. Must be given credit for that.
Karius - 5 - young keeper in a new country, needs time to settle and prove if he is up to it.

Clyne - 6.5 - a FB in the modern game needs to get forward and provide incisiveness (crossing, passing), unfortunately this will never be Clyne. Generally very solid defensively. I'm hopeful AA will mature into the player with the assets Clyne is missing.
Milner - 7.5 - great early season form clearly declined through fatigue.
Lovren - 6.5 As other posters have said above, hot and cold.
Matip - 7.5 - it's criminal, and completely incomprehensible, the way this guy is undervalued by some. Class, Mr Cool. BTW he wasn't missing for huge swathes of our season, he started 27 games but was missing at key times.
Klavan - 6 - as a 4th choice CB he's done mainly fine when required to play

Lucas - 6.5 - surprised us at CB and has done well in most games. Good squad player.
Henderson - 7 - we missed him
Can - 7 - I thought he's come on a lot over the course of the season, matured somewhat and been instrumental in some important wins.
Wijnaldum - 7.5 - another one who is constantly undervalued on 6CM due his his lack of 'flashiness'. Important goals when Klopp has let him off the lead. Obviously playing to instructions in other matches when not making so many runs into the box burt he is superb on the ball, immensely strong, and always seems to find the right outlet. I've no doubt whatsoever he will be a key figure in Klopp's team next season.
Lallana - 8 - Huge improvement over previous seasons and a key figure in implementing Klopp's style of play.

Firmino - 7.5 - Key player; creativity, brains, control and a duracell engine.
Coutinho - 8.5 - Our main man. We all know what he's done.
Sturridge - 6 - I find it hard to give him less because it's obvious his injuries curtailed many performances but he has shown that he can make a valuable contribution next season.
Origi - 6 - A real mixed bag. Was hoping - expecting - more and although his goals to minutes ratio is still very good his all round play hasn't come on as it should have.
Mane - 8 - some mountain top highs and some average games but overall a massive asset. Can't wait to see him fly next season.

Klopp - 8 - Competing against 5 very strong, and in some cases extremely well funded clubs, the odds, even without Euro football, were against him. When you consider the horrendous injury list to key players we suffered, and the absence of Mane in January, he has performed more than admirably to take us into the Top 4, which almost certainly would have been so much better without those said injuries. Delighted to have him as manager.
 
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Mignolet - 7
Karius - 5

Clyne - 6
Matip - 6.5
Lovren - 6
Milner - 6.5
Klavan - 5.5

Henderson - 6.5
Lucas - 6
Can - 7
Wijnaldum - 7
Lallana - 7.5

Coutinho - 8
Firmino - 6.5
Mane - 8
Origi - 5.5
Sturridge - 5.5

Klopp - 7
 
Defence - 5: Another season letting in over 40 goals - that is simply not acceptable.

Offence - 7: Still can't get the work done consistently against teams that sit deep and are disciplined enough to stick to their game plans.

Fitness - 4: Still too many walking wounded who take ages to come back from injuries - only to get injured again.

Transfers, Player Development & Integration - 7: Significant improvement in some players (Lallana, Mignolet), some improvement in some (Lovren, Coutinho, Firmino), flat for some (Can, Clyne) and some regressed (Origi). Mane, Wijnaldum and Matip were well-integrated into the team's core in the first season - good job there. No expensive duds at last! Trent showed lots of promise. Summer transfers as a whole were good, though we left ourselves short in some departments and definitely should have bought in winter.

Overall - 6.5; showed promise, met the pre-season goal, but has much room for improvement.
 
Mignolet (7) He's turned it around. The last 4-5 months his performances have been in keeping with the best keepers in the league. Whether or not it's another false dawn is hard to predict but I'm growing increasingly confident he has improved his level rather than simply in good form. He has clearly worked on his weaknessess which have shown on match day. Good to see, and slightly reasusring the GK coach can't be as completely hopeless as often called on LFC forums. Could we improve? Yeah, I'm sure there's better keepers out there, but it's not the priority it was.

Clyne (7). Skully called it right the other day. Clyne is exactly the fullback we wanted when Glen Johnson was here and still he receives criticism. A lot of it overboard, IMO. Yes he could be better offensively and that does limit us against defensive teams, but he's not, nor has ever been a winger. Expectations of fullbacks has skyrocket in recent years to almost unreasonable levels. He could offer more against the sides hell bend on getting a point, but he's a defender first and forthmost and that's fine by me. Providing consistency in an otherwise inconsistent, chop and changing defence has been valuable. As has fitness levels and ability to keep fit. How many matches does he miss? Fuck all. He's an important member of the squad for me.

Matip (7) - Too many were overawned by his calmness on possesion when he arrived. We were spanking teams 5-0 and Matip was stiding up the pitch like bloody Messi and not shitting himself in possession and the praise was lavished down. We started seeing the real Matip when the defense started getting properly tested around December time and the errors were evident. There's been some lapses in concentration, poor defensive clearences and some positional errors. Overall it's been a solid first season and I think he will improve further. CB's need an practical working knowledge of the strikers they're up against and he'll look better for having it next year. Needs to work on his heading.

Lovren (6) - Not good enough for me. There's no excuses at this stage. He knows the league inside out. He's arrived for a high fee and yet he has shown no sign he is unable to correct his weaknesses. He's awful positionally leading to so many clumbsy errors and too many times he's watching play a mile away with a vacant, stupid look smacked all over his face. He should next since on the bench. I don't think he's good enough at the top level at this moment.

Milner (8)- Playing a new position and he has shined. I never wanted him at LB. I still don't. but he's performace the task admirably all season. You can't criticise him for not having a left foot at this stage in his career. It was Klopps decision to not buy a LB and play Milner there so that's on him. This has affected our attacking play all damn year, but as said, that's not on Milner. I hope to see him competing for midfield slots next year.

Can (7) In Can's case it's a shame the season isn't 2 months longer. He's starting to show the form we hoped for last season in a position which best suits him. Up until Febuary his season had been disappointing, possibly hampered by that calf injury. But since then I think he's been excellent. He doesn't hide, he's brave, his passing and tackling have improved and he's starting to dominate the middle of the park. I'm expecting big things next season and the club needs to sign him up ASAP.

Wijnaldum (7) The quality is obvious in Wijnaldum. His touch, close control and awareness is fantastic. He's been playing a new role in the side and has done a pretty decent job overall. He lacks qualities I most want in footballers. Heart, desire, bravery, fight. He could be so much more but I think he's just a bit of a shit house really. He shines when we're already winning or dominating the play. If we're not he dissappears. He shouldn't be guaranteed a spot in this side at present and needs competition. Gets a bonus point for the goal yesterday.

Henderson (6). Not much to say. Looked great in the holding role and his passing has improved massively but then season crippled by injury. The side is doing well without him. His captaincy surely has to come into question if we're not expecting his condition to improve. That goal against Chelsea still gives me the tingles.

Lallana (8.5) The play who has most stepped up in Klopps era. He's been excellent and a clear candidate for our player of the season. He's flourished in the deeper role, has massively improved our transition from midfield to attack and has added goals and assists to his otherwise excellent game. I struggle to find anything to criticise of him this year. More of the same please.

Coutinho (9) - He's just magic. When Gerrard left he said the player who needs to fill my shoes is Coutinho. Well that's starting to happen. We've relied on him so many times this season and he's delivered. His set-pieces have improved. His decision making has improved as has his composure in front of goal. One of the best attackers in world football.

Mane - (9) - Everything we could have hoped for and more. His pace, skill and finishing has been incredibily welcome this seaon. I think there's even more to come from him, too. Very exciting player.

Firmino (7) - It's been more of the same from Firmino. Excellent work rate, great link up play but not enough threat or goals. Hard to drop but also not a player we can rely on to score enough goals to compete for honours. He needs to adapt to an attacking midfield role next year with a new striker signed. Firmino as a sttiker is fine when we have all the other attackers fit and on form, but that's a massive variable and cannot be relied upon. Stick Firmino up top without Mane or an off form Coutinho and we'll be toothless.

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Origi - (5) Completely underwhelming season. He needs to work hard at his game to make it at this level. A loan might be beneficial next season. I'm not sure he's even good enough to play the cup matches for us.

Karius (5) Bit embarrassing really

Klaven (4) Pay peasnuts, get monkeys. "Wait til you see him play!" Klopp exclaimed. I wish I hadn't.
 
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Clyne has really baffled and exasperated me this season. He has all the attributes to be a top class right back, but his defending hasn't really improved and he's one of the most witless of players I've seen when he gets into the opposing team's half. He seems almost paralysed by doubt as to what he should do. And this is a player who knows he's competing with two or three very strong rivals for the England team, as well as with Alexander-Arnold for the Liverpool team, so you'd imagine, as an ambitious player, he'd be pushing himself to progress. Yesterday was typical - he kept getting the ball and then either nervously passing it back, or else moving ahead with zero conviction. Next season he needs to show much more character and intelligence and fight or else he's going to find himself on the bench.

Mignolet, in contrast, has shown that players CAN learn and work to improve.In the last few games of the season, he's been excellent. Whether he can keep improving is another matter, but he's deserved more praise than he's got.

As for the rest, Mane has been excellent, though he's not yet realised his full potential - he needs to use his pace more and take players on. Can still looks like he's searching for his role in the team, but he needs to stay - he's got the ability to be a very important player for us, and he's one of the few who seems to have the character to fight his way out of adversity. And Coutinho, at last, is finally living up to the hype. It'll be fascinating to see him develop in a deeper role next season.

Of the kids, Ojo has been the greatest disappointment. He's had so much encouragement, so much coaching, and he hasn't seemed to listen and learn. He appears to have concluded, like Ibe did before him, that he'd rather go somewhere where they'll let him carry on as usual rather than work to improve here. He's even 'done an Ibe' this season and, at times, removed any sign of LFC from his social media outlets - sad that being at a great club doesn't seem like something to be proud of. (I see he's re-inserted LFC images to his twitter page recently, but he remains a semi-detached player in terms of emotional commitment to the club.)

Of the others, Alexander-Arnold looks nailed on to break into the first team at some stage next season. Woodburn, if he finally embraces the fact that he's a striker rather than a potential winger or number 10, ought to be a regular on the bench, Brewster now looks the brightest young prospect up front that we've had for some time, and Harry Wilson is another player who really should be competing for a few first team outings. The only worrying aspect at the Academy is in defence, where there's a lot of solid but so-so players.
 
Frogfish said:
Slightly negative ratings from Oncy. Considering that mainly our poor form in Jan/Feb etc. was when we were missing key players and others were played without respite leading to an inevitable drop off in form. Clearly a very nervous finish to the season affected form but they should have learnt from it.

6 is average.

Mignolet - 7.5 - Very shaky start but he's improved as the season went on and has actually been quite impressive recently. Must be given credit for that.
Karius - 5 - young keeper in a new country, needs time to settle and prove if he is up to it.

Clyne - 6.5 - a FB in the modern game needs to get forward and provide incisiveness (crossing, passing), unfortunately this will never be Clyne. Generally very solid defensively. I'm hopeful AA will mature into the player with the assets Clyne is missing.
Milner - 7.5 - great early season form clearly declined through fatigue.
Lovren - 6.5 As other posters have said above, hot and cold.
Matip - 7.5 - it's criminal, and completely incomprehensible, the way this guy is undervalued by some. Class, Mr Cool. BTW he wasn't missing for huge swathes of our season, he started 27 games but was missing at key times.
Klavan - 6 - as a 4th choice CB he's done mainly fine when required to play

Lucas - 6.5 - surprised us at CB and has done well in most games. Good squad player.
Henderson - 7 - we missed him
Can - 7 - I thought he's come on a lot over the course of the season, matured somewhat and been instrumental in some important wins.
Wijnaldum - 7.5 - another one who is constantly undervalued on 6CM due his his lack of 'flashiness'. Important goals when Klopp has let him off the lead. Obviously playing to instructions in other matches when not making so many runs into the box burt he is superb on the ball, immensely strong, and always seems to find the right outlet. I've no doubt whatsoever he will be a key figure in Klopp's team next season.
Lallana - 8 - Huge improvement over previous seasons and a key figure in implementing Klopp's style of play.

Firmino - 7.5 - Key player; creativity, brains, control and a duracell engine.
Coutinho - 8.5 - Our main man. We all know what he's done.
Sturridge - 6 - I find it hard to give him less because it's obvious his injuries curtailed many performances but he has shown that he can make a valuable contribution next season.
Origi - 6 - A real mixed bag. Was hoping - expecting - more and although his goals to minutes ratio is still very good his all round play hasn't come on as it should have.
Mane - 8 - some mountain top highs and some average games but overall a massive asset. Can't wait to see him fly next season.

Klopp - 8 - Competing against 5 very strong, and in some cases extremely well funded clubs, the odds, even without Euro football, were against him. When you consider the horrendous injury list to key players we suffered, and the absence of Mane in January, he has performed more than admirably to take us into the Top 4, which almost certainly would have been so much better without those said injuries. Delighted to have him as manager.
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Karius was a Man City reserve. He's not new to the country, he's just shit.
 
It's a tough one this year. However those who played regularly (not fair to grade players like TAA, Woodburn, Grujic etc):

Keepers
Mignolet - 7.5 - Not helped by being shifted out of the team early doors and a constantly moving centre back partnership, however in the final quarter of the season was almost flawless. Something I never thought I'd say. Only a couple of high profile errors this year, which any keeper would have. KEEP

Karius - 4.5 - Limited games, a few high profile errors, he was like groundhog day from Mings previous seasons. He could be moved on in the summer. SELL at the right price

Defenders

Clyne - 6.5 - I was disappointed with him going forward this year, more often than not his final ball or shots were wayward. He should be worried about his place next year. Defensively sound however, but in the age of a modern full-back he could do better. KEEP

Klavan 5 - Oh dear, for every 8 performance, there was a 2/3 performance just around the corner. A stop gap for sure and could easily be asked to find another club in the summer. SELL

Lovren 6 - Similar to Klavan really, for every game he was flawless, there was a nervy one just around the corner. Case in point versus Boro yesterday. He may find himself as 3rd choice next season at least. KEEP

Matip 7 - Our best CB this season, one that was disrupted by injury and AFCON suspension. Hopefully he will kick on next year, looked the most assured of our CBs, but occasionally found wanting. Needs to add more goals to his game too. KEEP

Milner 7.5 - I've got to score him as I see if, out of position but until the final 6 or 7 games was up for player of the season surely. Not sure if it was his age which meant he ran out of gas towards the latter end of the season. Would like to see him return to midfield next year but he looked poor there when switched back. KEEP

Moreno 4 - Yes he only started what 2 games? But was always in the matchday squad - SELL


Midfielders

Henderson - 6.5 - Started the season like a man on a mission, faded, then got injured. He is not a DM, but he is arguably the best passer we have on our team. KEEP

Lucas - 6 - Hard to grade Lucas, played CB and DM this season. No real stinkers, can leave with his head held high. LEAVE

Can - 6.5 - At times the HMS Can had a slower turning circle than anything I'd seen in a Liverpool shirt, however pulled it back in the second half of the season. I was vocal in that he didn't deserve the bump in contract when it was originally mooted. However I have since changed my mind. KEEP

Wijnaldum - 6.5 - Frustrating, at home he can be the best player on the pitch. Away and occasionally at home, he goes missing big time. Might just need one to go in off his backside away from home to get the monkey off his back. KEEP

Lallana - 8 - Our best midfielder this season, a joy to watch at times. Added goals to his game too, he's at his peak right now in my opinion KEEP


Forwards

Coutinho - 8.5 - I really hope we keep him in the summer and if we do sell him it's for a record fee. It's true that in finals he goes missing, but like Klopp said, if he stays we may end up building a statue for him, if he leaves he becomes just another player. KEEP

Firmino - 6 - I've got to balance up for every great game he had (and in my opinion it was less than half a dozen), there were many bang average games where he frustrated me. I'd keep him for another year, but he must recognise he's on report like a naughty school kid. KEEP

Mane - 9 - Player of the season for me, was genuinely gutted when he got injured. KEEP

Origi - 4.5 - Too often our weak link. Too direct, no movement, but can when he wants score out of seemingly nothing. If we sell Sturridge then I'd keep, but another who must recognise that the likes of Woodburn and Brewster are breathing down his neck. KEEP due to age and experience only

Sturridge - 5.5 - I won't repeat again but his movement is amazing. Low goal return, low game time means a low score, but better than Origi - SELL at the right price as cannot be relied upon to stay healthy.

The Manager

Klopp - 7.5 - Job done in that we finished in the top four (that was my hope for the start of the season). First half of the season it was easily a 9.5, second half of the season some of his decision making and team selections seemed to me odd. A good platform to build upon, and genuinely excited to see who he attracts in the summer.
 
It's funny how it's now Ok to criticise Clyne's game in the final third. A few months ago people went bonkers.
 
Great ratings Oncy - and agree with Hanserns tweaks.

On the subject of selling and keeping, it really depends upon who we can get in and when. Its all very well to say for example that I think we should jettison Sturridge, but until you know whos available as a replacement its difficult to know - we need a shitload more squad depth to cope with whats coming next season... (for the record I'd still prob sell him at anything more than 25mill and rely on Klopp pulling a blinder)
 
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